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AggieBlu
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Interesting
full article... https://www.si.com/college-football/2019/09/02/tom-herman-texas-lsu-ed-orgeron

Kelly Orgeron returned from dinner with bad news for her husband. LSU had offered its head coaching job to Jimbo Fisher. "Everybody," she told Ed Orgeron, "was talking about it at dinner." This was Wednesday night, a day before LSU played at Texas A&M in what many thought would be Ed Orgeron's final game as coach of the Tigers. The Orgerons and more than 200 othersplayers, administrators, coaching staff, parentsspent that night in the team hotel. It was buzzing with talk of Fisher, a sort of long lost son for the Tigers. Fisher has in the past expressed his affection for LSU, where he served as offensive coordinator for seven years and has twice been seriously in the mix to be the Tigers head coach. He interviewed for the job to replace Nick Saban in 2005 and was the clear choice to potentially replace Miles in 2015.

Earlier in the day, just before the team took flight for College Station, Texas, a Baton Rouge radio host, Charles Hanagriff, had reported on air information that he thought at the time was public knowledge. "I had been told from somebody I trusted that if they would prepare an offer to Jimbo, he was willing to come," says Hanagriff, still a host on that radio station, ESPN 104.5 FM. By the time the team landed in Texas, the rumblings about Fisher had reached a fever pitch, so much so that Orgeron noticed pockets of players and staff members whispering and gesturing to their phones, none brave enough to tell the man in charge the news. Team meetings that night in the hotel were a mess. The swirling rumors were not only that Fisher was coming but that he planned to keep on staff LSU's current receivers coach, Dameyune Craig, one of Fisher's former quarterbacks at Auburn and a guy who now works for Fisher at Texas A&M. "There were guys on our staff talking about this and that and where these guys are going," says Orgeron. "They never said it in front of me, but you can tell it was going on."

Joe Alleva and others are here to set the record straight about Fisher. In 2016, Alleva had one phone call with Fisher's agent, Jimmy Sexton, early in the search process. They never spoke again. In the end, he was not a serious candidate, partly because of his price tag: $7.5 million a year over seven years, committee members say. New Orleans businessman Stephen Perry, a board member who served on that search committee, describes a "fateful moment" during the search when decision-makers agreed not to pursue Fisher. "We loved Jimbo and thought he was a great guy, but we felt like the program at Florida State was in a downward spiral. And what the agent was asking for" Perry says trailing off. Committee members told no one of this decision. In fact, they allowed the Fisher rumors to fester and even sometimes fueled it as a smokescreen to negotiate with their real candidate.

On Wednesday, a day before LSU played Texas A&M, reports from The Shreveport Times and ESPN about an offer to Fisher were wrong, committee members now say. Behind the scenes, school officials were in intense negotiations with Trace Armstrong, the agent of Herman. At some point that week, Alleva and committee members scheduled an interview in Houston for that Saturday morning with the coach. Through deep talks with Armstrong, the school had met Herman's requests, and a contract was readied. "We had numbers worked out with Tom," Alleva says. Some sources claim an offer was extended, and that Herman had verbally agreed. Alleva vehemently disputes that. The price for Herman was $5 million a year, Perry says. "We never had a deal, but we were both very seriously dancing," Alleva says.
I will never understand how someone can tell so many lies and not feel bad about it...
rbcs_2
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but we felt like the program at Florida State was in a downward spiral.
So let's hire Ed O? Too funny...
aggiehawg
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rbcs_2 said:

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but we felt like the program at Florida State was in a downward spiral.
So let's hire Ed O? Too funny...
Also from the article:
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So pessimistic about his chances at landing the full-time job at LSU, Ed Orgeron cleared out the temporary on-campus hotel room he occupied while LSU's interim coach on Black Friday morning, just minutes after completing an interview with Joe Alleva for the full-time gig, his team's win over the Aggies 12-hours old. While packing up, Orgeron's phone rang. It was Alleva. "You think Lane Kiffin's going to really come?" the athletic director asked.

Kiffin, at the time, was the offensive coordinator at Alabama, preparing the Crimson Tide for the SEC championship game. Part of Orgeron's pitch to Alleva was that Kiffin, his old friend and colleague, would be the Tigers offensive coordinator if he was named the coach. Back on the phone, Orgeron reaffirmed with his boss that Kiffin would come if he didn't land a head coaching job. "'Really?" Alleva responded. "Man, you, Lane Kiffin, (defensive coordinator) Dave Aranda that would be a great combination." Orgeron's connection to Kiffin and his impressive interview with Alleva were not the only things that began to sway committee members.
Get the point?
Agsuffering@bulaw
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Saying FSU was "in a downward spiral" is some 20/20 hindsight. In 2016, FSU was 8-3 and ranked #15 going into the FL game. The previous 4 years, they had finished ranked: 14th, 5th, 1st, 10th. They were recruiting great.

Nobody saw 2017 happening the way it did.
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That whole article is bullcrap. They are trying to prop up their man and tarnish ours. It is so transparent it is laughable
You do not have a soul. You are a soul that has a body.

We sing Hallelujah! The Lamb has overcome!
aggiehawg
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AgBQ-00 said:

That whole article is bullcrap. They are trying to prop up their man and tarnish ours. It is so transparent it is laughable
Bottomline, LSU didn't have the $$$$$$ to get Jimbo. Orgeron was cheap and he guaranteed Kiffin would be his OC.
Bill Superman
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Sip (and corndog) is so bitter about us getting Jimbo they will do anything to slander his name

How many more hit pieces are they gonna send out before they go after their own
Tamu_mgm
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I don't care what light they paint Jimbo in, I am just thankful to God every day we have Jimbo and LSU doesn't. Can you just imagine whatever coach we would have now if LSU had gotten Jimbo? That would've extended our run of mediocrity another 10 years minimum.

I still can't believe how close LSU was to hiring him MULTIPLE times, and how incompetent Alleva was as an AD there, to make sure it didn't happen either willingly or not.

A majority of people still don't understand how big it was for A&M to nab Jimbo freaking Fisher.
P.U.T.U
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Herman was too much at $5 million, Fisher was too much at $7.5 million, see a pattern?
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P.U.T.U said:

Herman was too much at $5 million, Fisher was too much at $7.5 million, see a pattern?
I agree with the first part.
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aggiehawg said:

AgBQ-00 said:

That whole article is bullcrap. They are trying to prop up their man and tarnish ours. It is so transparent it is laughable
Bottomline, LSU didn't have the $$$$$$ to get Jimbo. Orgeron was cheap and he guaranteed Kiffin would be his OC.
If they beat the horns Saturday, LSU could argue they got a better coach (than Herman) and saved ~$1M/Year. Should add a little spice to the game Saturday. Not that you need more motivation for a big game like this but coach O has to feel a little added pressure to win this one.
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If they beat the horns Saturday, LSU could argue they got a better coach (than Herman) and saved ~$1M/Year. Should add a little spice to the game Saturday. Not that you need more motivation for a big game like this but coach O has to feel a little added pressure to win this one.
Can't argue that. I just have a higher regard for Dave Aranda, Tiger's DC, than I do for Herman's offense with or without Ehlinger. Since Herman calls Ehlinger's number a lot, I think Ehlinger gets his bell rung by the LSU DBs.

He damn near did get concussed (again) last Saturday.

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Jimbo 1
Orgeron 0

Nuff said.
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Tamu_mgm said:

I don't care what light they paint Jimbo in, I am just thankful to God every day we have Jimbo and LSU doesn't. Can you just imagine whatever coach we would have now if LSU had gotten Jimbo? That would've extended our run of mediocrity another 10 years minimum.

I still can't believe how close LSU was to hiring him MULTIPLE times, and how incompetent Alleva was as an AD there, to make sure it didn't happen either willingly or not.

A majority of people still don't understand how big it was for A&M to nab Jimbo freaking Fisher.


My longhorn dad even went out of his way to say we nailed it. "Y'all went all out, y'all got your guy".

That was the most fun coaching carousel I ever paid attention to.
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aggiehawg
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A majority of people still don't understand how big it was for A&M to nab Jimbo freaking Fisher.
I still can't quite believe it happened. Like I'm still in a dream or something. When Woodward left, I thought, well that was short. Truly thought he would follow. Beyond ecstatic that Jimbo has bought into Aggieland and stayed.
OKC~Ag
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it's good to be rich...anything is possible.
BleacherRat
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aggiehawg said:

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A majority of people still don't understand how big it was for A&M to nab Jimbo freaking Fisher.
I still can't quite believe it happened. Like I'm still in a dream or something. When Woodward left, I thought, well that was short. Truly thought he would follow. Beyond ecstatic that Jimbo has bought into Aggieland and stayed.
Don't forget, Woodward and Jimbo are STILL friends. That possibility is still in play.
Gig 'em!
aggiehawg
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Don't forget, Woodward and Jimbo are STILL friends. That possibility is still in play.
Not unless LSU is willing to pony up Bama-type money. And they really don't have it, nor would Louisana politics allow it.
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aggiehawg said:

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Don't forget, Woodward and Jimbo are STILL friends. That possibility is still in play.
Not unless LSU is willing to pony up Bama-type money. And they really don't have it, nor would Louisana politics allow it.


The people of Louisiana would save money by replacing all of the state sponsored school lunch meal with a nutria based protein program if it would save them enough money to buy a good football coach. They and bama fans are the only people more crazy than us about football.
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AgBQ-00 said:

Bottomline, LSU didn't have the $$$$$$ to get Jimbo. Orgeron was cheap and he guaranteed Kiffin would be his OC.


Eauxps
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The people of Louisiana would save money by replacing all of the state sponsored school lunch meal with a nutria based protein program
Funny if you think they haven't already done that. Along with gator meat (during gator huntin' season, eaux course.)
Gil Renard
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What a terrible article. LSU is delusional
MrWonderful
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aggiehawg said:

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Don't forget, Woodward and Jimbo are STILL friends. That possibility is still in play.
Not unless LSU is willing to pony up Bama-type money. And they really don't have it, nor would Louisana politics allow it.
LSU absolutely has that kind of money. Lot of big time boosters that could write the check without blinking. Will they? Remains to be seen. I think if Woodward can wean the university off the athletic dept's teat and continue to do the things he always has, they will have a shot at Jimbo depending on the $ amount. At least we made him more expensive!

The note about 7m for 7 years is interesting though. Why did we have to go for $7m at 10 years? Something to think about....

Edit: Just reread the article. 7.5 not 7m
aggiehawg
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MrWonderful said:

aggiehawg said:

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Don't forget, Woodward and Jimbo are STILL friends. That possibility is still in play.
Not unless LSU is willing to pony up Bama-type money. And they really don't have it, nor would Louisana politics allow it.
LSU absolutely has that kind of money. Lot of big time boosters that could write the check without blinking. Will they? Remains to be seen. I think if Woodward can wean the university off the athletic dept's teat and continue to do the things he always has, they will have a shot at Jimbo depending on the $ amount. At least we made him more expensive!

The note about 7m for 7 years is interesting though. Why did we have to go for $7m at 10 years? Something to think about....

Edit: Just reread the article. 7.5 not 7m
You forgot the part about "Louisiana politics."

The President of LSU, F (insert rest of name here) Ross Alexander is a real POS when it comes to pandering for the state legislature to give the university more money. Granted, the football coach isn't paid with tax payer funds but few state residents understand that. They believe Alexander when he says LSU football and university will be shut down if they don't call their state elected officials to approve the latest ridiculous budget.

Education funding in La is insane with the TOP program among other things. Way too many free students, and way too many "college" students in way too many state funded colleges.

It is the beta of college for all and it isn't working.
Bill Superman
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LewP said:

aggiehawg said:

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A majority of people still don't understand how big it was for A&M to nab Jimbo freaking Fisher.
I still can't quite believe it happened. Like I'm still in a dream or something. When Woodward left, I thought, well that was short. Truly thought he would follow. Beyond ecstatic that Jimbo has bought into Aggieland and stayed.
Don't forget, Woodward and Jimbo are STILL friends. That possibility is still in play.

Jimbo is a businessman, not a friendshipman.

He's not going anywhere until y'all have a big enough meltdown that we fire him
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Jimbo 1
Gatorade bath 0
Agsuffering@bulaw
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The beautiful thing is that their "real candidate" was Scrip Club Hermansa. Hermensa was up front that he wanted the sip job. They let him use them as plan B and leverage to get more from the sips. And they allowed Orgeron to be their plan B.

Either they were too cheap or too stupid to pay Jimbo. I dont know how they are bragging like they made some great play.
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Gil Renard said:

What a terrible article. LSU is poor
Tamu_mgm
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aggiehawg said:

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Don't forget, Woodward and Jimbo are STILL friends. That possibility is still in play.
Not unless LSU is willing to pony up Bama-type money. And they really don't have it, nor would Louisana politics allow it.
Even if LSU somehow offered him 10+ million a year (and they can't), you really think THAT would persuade Jimbo? Jimbo is already extremely well compensated, and well on his way to building his empire here at A&M with literally ever resource he could ever want or need. This includes way more money to pay assistants and have facility upgrades than LSU. Texas A&M right now is a better job than LSU for those reasons, so it really wouldn't make sense for Jimbo to leave, other than solely for the Woodward relationship aspect. But even then, it just doesn't add up; leave a better situation just because you're buds with an AD? And before people bring up why Jimbo left FSU, that was an entirely different situation with a lack of resources and admin. support. I think it's safe to say Jimbo is here for the long haul.
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Maybe we should change the phase LOLpoors to LSUpoors...
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