Was there offensive pass interference in the 2nd half that resulted in a TD for Clemson that was very obvious for two officials? Much has been written about the fumble through the end zone but that no call gave Clemson a long TD. Am I wrong?

I don't know Houstonag...was there?

Yes, there was

Obviously not if it wasn't called /NCAA officiating committee

Houstonag said:

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Was there offensive pass interference in the 2nd half that resulted in a TD for Clemson that was very obvious for two officials? Much has been written about the fumble through the end zone but that no call gave Clemson a long TD. Am I wrong?

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If the teams were reversed, we'd get called for offensive pass interference on that same play 8 times out of 10.

Houstonag said:

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Was there offensive pass interference in the 2nd half that resulted in a TD for Clemson that was very obvious for two officials? Much has been written about the fumble through the end zone but that no call gave Clemson a long TD. Am I wrong?

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The long pass (right after the Starkel fumble) where the Clemson WR CLEARLY pushed our DB down and them made the catch was MUCH more influential to the outcome of the game than the fumble ruled a touchback, yet so much focus is on the fumble/touchback by the fans and media.

This may not be popular, and I am a super-homer, but watching the replay I didn't think it was OPI.

The still shot of the end of the play looks really damning, but if you watch the play leading up to it, the defender slides sideways and into the receiver.

Yes, I agree. That was a real killer. To me it was very obvious.

Win At Life said:

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Houstonag said:

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Was there offensive pass interference in the 2nd half that resulted in a TD for Clemson that was very obvious for two officials? Much has been written about the fumble through the end zone but that no call gave Clemson a long TD. Am I wrong?

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If the teams were reversed, we'd get called for offensive pass interference on that same play 11 times out of 10.

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FIFY

I actually saw a push by the Clemson receiver. I was on the East side and had a good view.

Yes, there was a push, but the defender initiated the contact. Is there a video posted?

Vi-de-o.

Wabs said:

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this is up there with the blatant no call horse collar

PsychoAg98 said:

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Yes, there was a push, but the defender initiated the contact. Is there a video posted?

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So what? There's always hand touching by both to know where the other guy is but what the WR did was a blatant push!!

Anyone remember the time in the game it occurred?

PsychoAg98 said:

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Anyone remember the time in the game it occurred?

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yeah it was right around the time I started drinking heavily

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Anyone remember the time in the game it occurred?

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yeah it was right around the time I started drinking heavily

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it didn't happen at 5:30pm

Play starts at 1:31:20 if I didn't copy link correctly.

The next play immediately after the Starkel fumble

It was a clear push off on a critical third down. Probably changed the outcome of the game, and I agree it ended up being more impactful than the touch back.

Full speed, it looked bad. Look at the replay and watch the defender clumsily swerve right into the receiver, who barely touches him, and throw his arm in front of the receiver. He was already stumbling and actually tried to impede the receiver so he wouldn't get burned...

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Play starts at 1:31:20 if I didn't copy link correctly.

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Looks to me like our guy is falling down before the "push off" occurs. Doesn't look like the DB is making a play on the ball or in a good position. Looks like the receiver is trying to avoid being tackled by him before the ball gets there. I'm not mad about that non-call.

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It was OPI but let's not talk about the symptoms and ignore the disease here.

Just as in college basketball, the rules have evolved over time to favor a more physical style of play in college football. On the particular play we are discussing and also the long touchdown pass on the first play from the Clemson freshman QB, Clemson had a more physical WR matched up with a smaller 3 star A&M DB.

If A&M fans are paying attention to recruiting, they know those days will be coming to an end soon. As Jimbo is signing bigger, faster skill position guys with a higher pedigree. Until then we will support the guys we have in place now.

PsychoAg98 said:

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Yes, there was a push, but the defender initiated the contact. Is there a video posted?

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How exactly does a defender initiate contact in an offensive player's push? There is always contact going down the field. The question is which player gained an obvious advantage by their contact?

PsychoAg98 said:

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Full speed, it looked bad. Look at the replay and watch the defender clumsily swerve right into the receiver, who barely touches him, and throw his arm in front of the receiver. He was already stumbling and actually tried to impede the receiver so he wouldn't get burned...

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If we are running stride for stride I expect the call. However, I agree with you, we were getting burned and out of position / trying to hook receiver to impede progress, receiver created separation in response.

I would rather see us clean up the whiff block that created the turnover the play before and be in better position defensively on that play.

Focus on what we can control and clean up our mistakes. Jimbo and team are doing this and we are better for it.

this is the only officiating issue that really upsets me. If receivers can do that, then please let our WR's know so they can do so as well.

The roughing penalty was 50/50. The touchback was 50/50 (even if the rule stinks, we know the rules, don't dive for the pilon - just too risky). It sounds like we were holding a lot so it all evens out.

Officiating didn't lose us this game IMHO. I can think of several plays we did to ourselves, any of which would flip the game:

* Starkel play call/fumble (bad deal there, feel sorry for that young man, hope he keeps his chin up)
* Missed FG (it happens, but dang that hurt)
* 2 point play call
* dropped pick 6 by our DL (I think that drive led to a TD for Clemson with a long pass)

Also, I think I recall us dropping a sure fire TD (or was I drunk).. Not sure if that drive led to points.

Houstonag said:

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Was there offensive pass interference in the 2nd half that resulted in a TD for Clemson that was very obvious for two officials? Much has been written about the fumble through the end zone but that no call gave Clemson a long TD. Am I wrong?

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Yes

Well Clemson has a championship trophy that would reside in Alabama if not for offensive pass interference, so we know Dabo teaches it...

And yes that was blatant, and yes it did help determine the outcome.

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It was a clear push off on a critical third down. Probably changed the outcome of the game, and I agree it ended up being more impactful than the touch back.

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1st and 10 but yeah. Would have been 1st and 25 from the 15 if called correctly.

I was hoping we would run the Clemson pick plan for the crucial 2 point conversion

Wabs said:

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Unfortunately, that pic is just ripe for some really unflattering meme-ification.

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PsychoAg98 said:

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Full speed, it looked bad. Look at the replay and watch the defender clumsily swerve right into the receiver, who barely touches him, and throw his arm in front of the receiver. He was already stumbling and actually tried to impede the receiver so he wouldn't get burned...

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If we are running stride for stride I expect the call. However, I agree with you, we were getting burned and out of position / trying to hook receiver to impede progress, receiver created separation in response.

I would rather see us clean up the whiff block that created the turnover the play before and be in better position defensively on that play.

Focus on what we can control and clean up our mistakes. Jimbo and team are doing this and we are better for it.

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I originally thought this was a whiff on the block, but it looks more like a mis communication. The OLB moves up faking a blitz. Our LT slide steps out to pick up the blitz and the LG doubles the DT leaving their AA DE with a straight shot at the QB.

This can and will be fixed.