I am naive . I do not study or practice college football contract negotiation rules and norms like the majority of you seem to....

Why do the Texas Aggies have to make a decision this off-season?

If we win 8 or 9 games, why can't we let Coach Sumlin coach for his new contract next year?

If he does well, we sign him... If he doesn't he walks...Everyone holds up their end of the deal.

I would think recruiting could cause an issue, but coaches sell the future is bright in every program... Same message applies here.

I only assume people perform best when they know their next payday absolutely depends on it.

Few reasons:

1. Say he wins 10 games the next 2 seasons, were going to have to pay more to retain him and his staff.

2. It's cheaper to sign now than when his contract is close to finished and other schools might want to bid on him.

blakegrimez said:

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Few reasons:

1. Say he wins 10 games the next 2 seasons, were going to have to pay more to retain him and his staff.

2. It's cheaper to sign now than when his contract is close to finished and other schools might want to bid on him.

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Horse$hi$. We will still have 1 year left to negotiate after next season and can match anything anyone else wants to throw at him. Their is no exit fee on his part now anyways so if they were going to pay that kind of money they could have already done it. OP is right- nothing should be done this off season.

No one is lining up to hire this guy.

He gets this year and then if he stays he gets another. If someone wants him that bad, come get him. We can buy another coach that can at least be equal to this one

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I am naive . I do not study or practice college football contract negotiation rules and norms like the majority of you seem to....

Why do the Texas Aggies have to make a decision this off-season?

If we win 8 or 9 games, why can't we let Coach Sumlin coach for his new contract next year?

If he does well, we sign him... If he doesn't he walks...Everyone holds up their end of the deal.

I would think recruiting could cause an issue, but coaches sell the future is bright in every program... Same message applies here.

I only assume people perform best when they know their next payday absolutely depends on it.

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Okay I promise not to do anything with any coaches contracts.

I admit I don't know the effects on recruiting by having a coach in the last year of his contract. However, I do tend to think the whole "lame duck" concept - whether it's a coach or a baseball manager- is somewhat overstated. Although he was talking about the exaggerated importance of "playoff experience" I think the principle is the same with something John Madden once said: "In the middle of the game and a pass is coming his way a receiver is not gonna think 'Oh no, I can't catch this. I don't have any playoff experience' ". I think the same holds true during a game or practice for players with a "lame duck" coach. I just don't think they dwell on stuff like that.

Maybe not a good analogy, but that's my dos centavos. Let a man finish his contract. If he's worth keeping, and if he wants to stay, everything can be worked out. If not, well he completed his obligation to you, and vice versa. He finished his contract so he can't quit, and conversely since he finished his contract he can't be fired.

It's BS created by agents. Most coaches are a bad season away from being fired. Sumlin just needs to sell recruits on Sumlin.

Win less than 9, fire him unless a good replacement cannot be lined up.

If Sumlin wins 10 this season, he deserves an extension. My fear is that we win 9 or 10, don't extend him and he walks.

Don't kid yourself - Tennessee, Arkansas, UCLA, and probably a few others would love to have Sumlin.

It's a talking point for negative recruiting. To deny that is to ignore reality. You can argue its importance, but there is no doubt that only having two years left on his contract, especially after what Woodward said last spring, is being used against us on the recruiting trail. You can't say its unimportant, then blame Sumlin for not pulling in a better recruiting class.

Having years left on the contract is just the price of doing business. What is avoidable is having such ridiculous buyout terms. We can extend Sumlin's contract term without repeating that mistake.

I'm definitely in the camp for no extensions after this year. But..... if he wants a new contract here it is:

Tear up current contract make it a new four year deal, 3.5M base that has escalates to 5M if he wins SEC West, 7M if he makes CFP, and 11M (or whatever is 10% higher than the highest paid college coach) if he wins CFP.

Of course, no more of this buyout BS.

If he doesn't like it he can get a dog.

ByrdEWhiteTrash said:

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I'm definitely in the camp for no extensions after this year. But..... if he wants a new contract here it is:

Tear up current contract make it a new four year deal, 3.5M base that has escalates to 5M if he wins SEC West, 7M if he makes CFP, and 11M (or whatever is 10% higher than the highest paid college coach) if he wins CFP.

Of course, no more of this buyout BS.

If he doesn't like it he can get a dog.

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When people post stuff about incentive heavy contracts, it just destroys their credibility. The market determines coaching compensation, and that kind of contract just isn't in the ballpark for market compensation at a school that wants to compete for championships.

Tamu_mgm said:

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If Sumlin wins 10 this season, he deserves an extension. My fear is that we win 9 or 10, don't extend him and he walks.

Don't kid yourself - Tennessee, Arkansas, UCLA, and probably a few others would love to have Sumlin.

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Not for more than $5m they don't or they would have already done it. Why should a coach get a new contract every season he overachieves yet the school never gets a new contract when they underachieve? Where was Sumlins agent after he lost to LSU for the 4th time and 2 five star QB's walked in him? He didn't want to renegotiate then.

Sumlin has no leverage. He wants to stay it will be on our terms not his. That is if he isn't fired outright after tanking November again

FishingAggie said:

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No one is lining up to hire this guy.

He gets this year and then if he stays he gets another. If someone wants him that bad, come get him. We can buy another coach that can at least be equal to this one

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You have no idea if teams are wanting to bring Sumlin on or not. He coaches in the SEC and and if he has 10 or 11 win season, many other programs will be throwing offers at Sumlin. My question is, if we have a coach that gets us a 10 or 11 win season, do we potentially let him walk. I would say if you can win double digit games in the SEC, you keep him.

Because of negative recruiting. We'd probably miss out on some guys who will chose to go whete they know who their coach will be. It's either extend him or start handing out new trucks. I'm not necesarily opposed to the latter, but unlike TU. we don't have the pull to get away with something of that Magnitude.

I don't understand what you guys are talking about. He still has 2 years left on his contract after this season . His lame duck season would be 2019- not next year. Nothing needs to get done this season.

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Because of negative recruiting. We'd probably miss out on some guys who will chose to go whete they know who their coach will be. It's either extend him or start handing out new trucks. I'm not necesarily opposed to the latter, but unlike TU. we don't have the pull to get away with something of that Magnitude.

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and people like you keep using that SAME excuse EVERY year. At some point you have to rip the band aid off.

Sumlin has proven to be a mediocre coach at best. He has proven to be a mediocre developer of talent at best.

He HAS been an INCREDIBLE recruiter, but has done basically nothing with the talent he has got to come on board.

Not sure why so many are ready to sniff his jock for another 5 years. Even if he goes for 10 wins this year.

There are anomalies (see Dallas Cowboys, 2016 season), and Sumlin has shown decreasing returns each year,

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HSFootballAg24 said:

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Because of negative recruiting. We'd probably miss out on some guys who will chose to go whete they know who their coach will be. It's either extend him or start handing out new trucks. I'm not necesarily opposed to the latter, but unlike TU. we don't have the pull to get away with something of that Magnitude.

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and people like you keep using that SAME excuse EVERY year. At some point you have to rip the band aid off.

Sumlin has proven to be a mediocre coach at best. He has proven to be a mediocre developer of talent at best.

He HAS been an INCREDIBLE recruiter, but has done basically nothing with the talent he has got to come on board.

Not sure why so many are ready to sniff his jock for another 5 years. Even if he goes for 10 wins this year.
There are anomalies (see Dallas Cowboys, 2016 season).

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If you want to fire him, you fire him. That has little to do with the extension issue. Nobody whose serious about winning tries to operate with a coach that only has 2 years left on his contract. Assuming we have results on the field that merit bringing him back, if you extend him the right way, then you can still turn around and fire him next year if things don't work. Having years on the contract is just the price of poker in this game.

Recruiting.....Sumlin has no credibility with recruits if he is down to his last season as our coach. We have two choices after this season. Renegotiate and renew his contract for at least another 3 to 4 years (minimum) or let him go and find someone else.

I hope we keep him, but if we do lose him....I sure hope we can hold on to the Chief. Defense is playing great....and getting better every game. Losing Chief in my opinion would doom our team to SEC mediocrity for the next decade or two. I have visions of us winning games against Bama in the next couple years like the old LSU teams (Ags 9 vs. Bama 6). Would be awesome!!!

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It's BS created by agents. Most coaches are a bad season away from being fired. Sumlin just needs to sell recruits on Sumlin.

Win less than 9, fire him unless a good replacement cannot be lined up.

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Whatever we do, we will be negative recruited. Coach Just has to show/convince recruits he is getting things rolling and A&M is going to pay out of their ass for the next contract because he doesnt want to renew until he has the leverage of a National championship.... ok, top 10..... ok, top 20.... ok, at team that doesn't suck.

Tamu_mgm said:

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If Sumlin wins 10 this season, he deserves an extension. My fear is that we win 9 or 10, don't extend him and he walks.

Don't kid yourself - Tennessee, Arkansas, UCLA, and probably a few others would love to have Sumlin.

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Nope. Tennessee would rehire Kiffin before they hired Sumlin.

Arkansas will probably want an offensive-minded coach, true. Not Sumlin, unless Jeff Long just wants to beat the Aggies once. Chad Morris would be the better option for them over Sumlin.

UCLA is wackadoodle on coaching hires. When they ditch their coach, they might go for Kiffin. Or they might go for Frost. Or they might go for an NFL coach.

It's not an excuse. I was simply providing the rationale of this mindset. Also, firing him is an option in that scenario.

Lame duck is a real thing. And Tom Herman and Lincoln Riley will make sure every kid is reminded of it for the whole year.

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ByrdEWhiteTrash said:

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I'm definitely in the camp for no extensions after this year. But..... if he wants a new contract here it is:

Tear up current contract make it a new four year deal, 3.5M base that has escalates to 5M if he wins SEC West, 7M if he makes CFP, and 11M (or whatever is 10% higher than the highest paid college coach) if he wins CFP.

Of course, no more of this buyout BS.

If he doesn't like it he can get a dog.

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When people post stuff about incentive heavy contracts, it just destroys their credibility. The market determines coaching compensation, and that kind of contract just isn't in the ballpark for market compensation at a school that wants to compete for championships.

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Have you ever been to the politics board? People on TexAgs don't know/care about markets!

Sumlin is doing very well with young talent and more on the way. His players love him. Firing him would be ultra stupid. And, btw, it doesn't matter whether or not the AD likes him. AD does not hire/fire our football coach. All you wanna be AD's carry on.