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Intelligence and the quarterback position...

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Wdiss
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I am a huge football fan but as a Navy brat who grew up mostly overseas I never got a chance to play it growing up, unfortunately. Only basu-ball in Japan and soccer for Wee Lad Wdiss..

That being said, I am a student of the game and read quite a bit about the game's history, evolution over time, strategic schools of thought, etc.

Regarding the quarterback position, the recent trend has been towards the dual-threat, athletic type... This phenomena bubbled up at the high school level, started saturating the college ranks about 10-15 years ago (Michael Vick, the QB Option) and is now becoming more of a staple in the NFL with the ascendency of players like RG3, Russell Wilson, Colin Kaepernick. etc.

The position is indeed changing - most people would acknowledge that - but developed PASSERS are still the fundamental need at the pro-level.

Quarterbacks must be able to read a defense pre-snap, ideally make adjustments at the line, know the playbook cold, have a 'mental map' what the other 21 players are doing on the field (or will be doing), and throw receivers open based on an understanding of how the play is supposed to unfold. Obviously, this is quite a bit of mental cogitation to do it well.

One doesn't have to be a genius to do this well but it obviously takes a bit of brain-power.

Great college QBs have struggled mightily with the adjustment to the NFL, not so much because they lack the raw tools to be successful - are mobile, have big arms, are reasonably accurate, have prototypical size, etc. - but struggle instead because they just aren't very bright and can't mentally manage the game and speed at that level. They just resort to trying to play the game like they successfully played at the college level (and high school level) - by scrambling and playing 'backyard ball - but this doesn't take you very far in the pros. Especially, when the defensive ends are as fast as you are and everyone is just as athletic.

This is why the Wonderlic Test is given, right? It's not a perfect gauge of how a QB will do in the pros - Dan Marino supposedly got a really low score - but its a pretty good test to determine how quickly a skill player can process information.

One can argue that intelligence is the #1 most important attribute in an NFL quarterback. Peyton Manning isn't amazing cause he's a great athlete or has a big arm or can scramble like a madman and "make plays"...he's amazing cause he's a master at mentally understanding the game real time and controlling the offense.

Thoughts? Especially curious to get the thoughts of those of you who actually played the position.
90%Ag
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usmcbrooks
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Gordon McKernan
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snowdog90
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Jus gotta be scrong to play the quarterback.
Frederick Palowaski
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The position is indeed changing - most people would acknowledge that - but developed PASSERS are still the fundamental need at the pro-level.


Esteban du Plantier
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You COULD BE a racist.


Well, he did grow up in Japan, the home of the most racist group of people in history.
STX Ag
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Racist OP hates everyone.
CoachLB
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There is a major difference in being "book" smart and football smart. A football player is drilled over and over and over again in everything. They have many hours in the film room. Good decisions on the field are made by most football players because they have seen or experienced the situation time and time again in the film room or on the practice field. Winston is a terrible decision maker in life, but makes good decisions on the field. Why? Because he has gone over almost every possible situation that can happen on the field in the film room or the practice field. It is not always thinking , it is reacting. People who have played can tell you, practice can be boring at times because you go through plays, and situations over and over and over again. You get sick of coaches yelling "Run it Again!" Now the smart ones like Manning know you have to study and prepare to reach a point where you recognize things and react to them. The ones that don't won't last long as a player.
InnerCityAg
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InnerCityAg
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Sorry, wrong pic....


Knife_Party
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I suspect the higher correlation is between working memory capacity and succes rathet than just IQ. WMC would provide the ability to "manage" all the tasks you mentioned. Obviously you can have all the ability in the world, but if you're a drunk loser (ryan leaf...) you won't succeed. In short, I believe that the best QB's must have a very high WMC, along with likely some other abilities.
Meximan
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This thread totally went as the OP intended.
ntxVol
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I do think that dual-threat QB's stereo-typically have a problem with some of the skills mentioned by OP. They are generally uncomfortable in the pocket, don't work through progressions as well...etc.

IMHO, pocket passers develop certain cerebral skills at an early age that benefit them later in their careers. Don't see that much with QB's that like to run.
King O Frod
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Agsuffering@bulaw
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So yes and no. If somebody does not have at least some arm strength, speed, and size, his intelligence would not matter.

More importantly, "football Intelligence" is not necessarily well measured by the wonderlic. The site below lists everyone with a wonderlic test of 40 or higher. Alex Smith is the only one who could be called successful.

Then look at the ones who scored under 30: Andy Dalton, Matt Hasselback, Aikman, Elway, Brees, Peyton, Kevin Kolb, Joe Flacco, Rich Gannon, Jay Cutler, Kyle Orton, Carson Palmer, Ben Rothlisberger, Chad Pennington, Trent Dilfer, Mark Brunel, Favre, Cam Newton, Mike Vick

Under 20: Duante Culpepper, Vinny Testaverde, Steve McNair, Randall Cunningham, Jim Kelly, Marino, Bradshaw, McNabb...


Jim Kelly called his own plays in a highly advanced offensive system.




http://www.nflstatanalysis.net/2011/03/qb-wonderlic-scores.html
Knife_Party
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Imho, wonderlic isn't even the best measure of intelligence and in fact does little to measure WMC directly.
Agsncws
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One can argue that intelligence is the #1 most important attribute in an NFL quarterback.

Sure. Stephen Hawking would make a great QB.
Esteban du Plantier
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One can argue that intelligence is the #1 most important attribute in an NFL quarterback.

Sure. Stephen Hawking would make a great QB.
He didn't say 'only' attribute.

HTH.
bigblackag12
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Failing to recognize the racism in the post others have alluded to
Wdiss
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You have to also be able to throw a ball, sure...but intelligence is a critical, if not THE critical factor, in determining if a QB is going to be successful.

There are lots of big armed, athletic, successful college QBs who never made it in the pros...why not? What prevented Tim Tebow or Vince Young or Tim Couch or It's-Looking-Like-RG3 from having brilliant NFL careers???
Esteban du Plantier
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bigblackag12
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There are lots of big armed, athletic, successful college QBs who never made it in the pros...why not? What prevented Tim Tebow or Vince Young or Tim Couch or It's-Looking-Like-RG3 from having brilliant NFL careers???




A lot of things went wrong with those guys that didnt have to do with intelligence
bigblackag12
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Well besides vynz
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let me ask this question...

how many of the top 10 QB's in the NFL played in an air raid/zone read/spread offense in college?

there's the first problem. Very difficult to project/translate college success in those offenses to the NFL

BMX Bandit
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Foles is about the only one that was in an air raid type offense.

easy94
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JFF is as smart as any QB in the league. He is dual and also a pretty good deep threat. Not arguing about the statement that crystalized intelligence is important to the position but that is obvious for any complex system. It seems like the pocket passers currently coming out of FBS are the unpolished passers, not the top dual guys. Maybe better would be to say repetitions (many) in system + intelligence + fundamental/ natural skill = increased odds of success. See peyton manning. The style is increasingly irrelevant, unless you have a flawed athlete (jemarcus, leaf, vints) or unless the OC chooses to ignore the strengths of his guy in some masturbotic belief that pro athletes are fungible components in the OC's (supposedly) brilliant schemes. Shanahan.
Yes, i am an avowed JFF explainer. Disclaimer: Never played the QB position.
powerbiscuit
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A lot of it is luck and landing on a team that isn't crappy
Reginald Cousins
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Flame away, but after you explain this one to me...
Mr. Tyler Durden
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Played QB my freshman yr in hs so I'm kind of an expert here. Once you get to pros the speed in defense is so great that the windows close faster. QB has to be able to make pre reads in order to know where ball needs to go before snap and have strong enough arm to fit into the still closing window.
PatAg
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I would say, generally speaking, if you are putting in a lot of time and effort to become good at running as a QB, that is taking away time from developing a pocket presence. Being proficient at one will lead to the other suffering.
Esteban du Plantier
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Flame away, but after you explain this one to me...


OP was too long, but he was saying he has time (literally thyme) on his hands.
Reginald Cousins
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Flame away, but after you explain this one to me...


OP was too long, but he was saying he has time (literally thyme) on his hands.


Thought along this line... Thanks.
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