I always thought both tu and A&M were flagship universities. My sip coworker is saying that only UT is a flagship university and by definition you can't have more than one flagship university.

Is he right or wrong?

Edit: nevermind, I found a link that says we definitely are a flagship.

[This message has been edited by T Shirt Aggie (edited 8/15/2011 11:30a).]

Kick him in the nuts and tell him he's wrong.

Okay, so he's apparently wrong about there being only one flagship per state.

So what's the actual definition? What makes A&M a flagship university and Tech not one?

FlagshipDefinition for flagship university:
A flagship is the lead ship in a fleet of vessels, a designation given on account of being either the largest, fastest, newest, most heavily armed or, for publicity purposes, the best known. In military terms, it is a ship used by the commanding officer of a group of naval ships.


I would have to say that texas is far and away the flagship.

With that being said if we would stop *****ing and moaning about crap that texas does, and step it up we could be considered a player at some point. We are always just kind of good enough to be mentioned. Never a real top dog as much as it hurts to say it.

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Flagship means you are the chief university of a system.

so:
Texas A&M
Texas A&M - Galveston
Texas A&M - Corpus Christi
Texas A&M - Kingsville
etc...

Tell your friend to get his facts straight.

Thanks Sex Panther. 60% of the time you're right every time!

In addition to being the lead school in a system, the state of Texas designates high profile research universities as "State Flagship Schools"

Currently, there are only 2 schools designated as such. One is ours and the other produces dumb arses like your coworker.

"Flagship" has a clear definition in the eyes of the state. By that definition, Texas has two flagship universities (A&M and Texas). Currently, several more schools have been identified as potential candidates to receive additional funding in a quest to add a 3rd flagship in the state.

Your tsip buddy is misinformed.

Ridiculous. The term flagship is thrown around as if it means something, frequently by those trying to pump themselves up by association with the term.

In the end, it doesn't really mean anything substantive.

Damn straight!

They are both the Flagships of their respective systems. Which university system is larger? A&M encompasses 11 universities and has 120,000 students. Your Co-Worker is an idiot.

Tech is one by the same definition we are, and so is U of H. There's also a Texas State University system, but I'm not sure whether TSU-San Marcos is the flagship.

tu and TAMU are the only tier 1 flagships.

FYI: t.u. and TAMU are the only Tier 1 flagship universities in the state of Texas. U of H is halfway through the process of becoming the third. As far as I know, there is no limit to the number of flagships a state can designate.

See below:

http://www2.egr.uh.edu/news/Make_UH_next_flagship.html

[This message has been edited by putmeincoach (edited 8/15/2011 11:39a).]

Tell him that UT's own former chancellor, William Cunningham, disagrees with him:

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Texas’ two public flagship universities – U.T Austin and Texas A&M

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http://www.texaslyceum.org/media/staticContent/PubCon_Journals/Third_Flagship_University2.pdf

Robert M. Berdahl, the former president of the AAU and and chancellor of Berkeley, also considers A&M and UT the two state flagships:

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The issue I want to talk about tonight is the future of "flagship" universities, institutions like the University of Texas at Austin, or Texas A&M at College Station, or the University of California, Berkeley.

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http://cio.chance.berkeley.edu/chancellor/sp/flagship.htm

But what do the chancellors of Texas and Berkeley know? Sure your friend is more correct....

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I would have to say that texas is far and away the flagship.

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Factually incorrect.

As stated above, there are different meanings to the term "flagship" based on the strict definition, and the definition according to the State of Texas. A&M meets both definitions, as does UT. Tech only meets the first (flagship of their system).

Research is a big part of what makes a flagship. Of all US universities without a medical school, A&M ranks 3rd in research expenditures. UT is 7th. Hope that helps on which university in Texas, if either, is the real "flagship". (Tech is 52nd, just below the New Mexico Institute of Mining).

I do not think the sips are a flagship school. Ask the Wall Street Journal. Only Tech and TAMU make the top 25 list. The Ags were no. 2 and Penn State no. 1.

Tell your sip friends that.

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What makes A&M a flagship university and Tech not one?

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Angelo State University

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I do not think the sips are a flagship school.

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Come on now. Being a state flagship is a combination of state support, total funds, research, size, etc. A flagship of a system is different - we're talking the general use of the term "state flagship."

Texas and A&M are the two flagship universities in Texas. MOST states have only one. Because Texas is so big, it has two (and may need a third).

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Texas State University is the flagship of the Texas State System. Why do you think they went to all the trouble to rename Southwest Texas State to Texas State University?

You guys are getting Tier 1 Universities mixed up with Flagship Univesities. A Flagship University is the lead institution in a Univesity System.

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What do we mean by the term "flagship" universities? The term applies, in all the cases I can think of, to the fully mature public universities serving most of states. In most cases, these institutions were the first public universities to be established in their states. Many of what we now call the flagship campuses were established in the extraordinary period of university building that took place in the United States in the roughly three decades from the mid-1850s to the mid-1880s. Many came into being after the Morrill Act of 1863 provided the federal grants of land to the states to establish public universities. Some states built two institutions, a land-grant college focused on agriculture and the "mechanical arts" as well as general education, and another more directed at classical education and the other professions. For example, Michigan, Indiana, Iowa, Washington, and Texas, among others, built separate institutions, while Illinois, Minnesota, Ohio, and California combined the land-grant and liberal arts function on a single campus. These institutions formed the core of the public systems of higher education in their respective states. State teachers colleges, later evolving into regional state colleges or universities, formed the rest of the higher education institutions in most states.

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http://cio.chance.berkeley.edu/chancellor/sp/flagship.htm

I emailed him several of these posts.

His response: "Whatever. UT is still the primary flagship university of Texas. Any others are secondary. UT is in the Texas constitution (and A&M was to be a branch of UT, by the way). Also, UT is the highest ranked public university in Texas by a solid margin. So you can call yourselves a flagship university if it makes you feel important, but UT is THE flagship university of the state of Texas and no one outside of the A&M fanbase would ever argue otherwise."

And I would say that by sip standards this guy is actually pretty moderate and humble about being a sip. He's not as bad as most of them and look at this arrogance even from him!

Why is he making the assumption there's only one flagship in Texas? Even his own Chancellor doesn't refute that there's two.

Wow, your coworker needs a punch in the nose.

Its his exact arrogance that all sips have as to why we want to get the hell out of here, most of their arrogance is unfounded

unfortunately their arrogance won't go away when we move to the SEC

I take it as your coworker never went to college. If he did he would realize we have two separate systems, with two separate BoRs to administer those systems. The flagship of those system are located in Austin and CS. Get over it.

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UT is the highest ranked public university in Texas by a solid margin.

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Is it, now?

http://www.forbes.com/top-colleges/#p_1_s_arank_TX

That sip is a real piece of work. When was the last time the sips won a NC in a big three sport? It's been a while. Like most sips, he probably has blocked out the NC won by the lady ags basketball team just a couple of months ago. That's the definition of flagship.

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I take it as your coworker never went to college.

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No, he's a real sip. Wears his ring and everything.

I like the bottom line too:

http://blogs.houstonpress.com/hairballs/2011/06/aggies_more_financially_succes.php

It depends on the state. Virginia has three - VT, UVA, and W&M. In California it's Berkeley and UCLA. In Texas it's tu and A&M. Michigan has only one. And so on.

We are the flagship of the Texas A&M University system. Many here and perhaps elsewhere seem to be getting into degrees of flagshipness. I don't think that its a graded scale; one school isn't more of a flagship than another.

What is and is not a flagship is still debatable. We clearly are, but is UofH main campus as the leader of their "system"?

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His response: "Whatever. . . .

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He apparently has the maturity level of a 12-year old girl.

You know you have just been owned in an argument when your rebuttal beings with "whatever".

California has like 9 flagships