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Why does Baylor hate A&M?

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Artorias
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Saw a thread on Baylor's forums about how much they hate A&M. Wanted to post this question on their boards, but their mods are slow to approve new accounts.

Why exactly do Baylor fans hate A&M? When I was at A&M in the 90's, I don't recall there being much friction between us and them. Then again, back then they were irrelevant and we didn't really give them much thought one way or the other. They were perennial doormats and an automatic W on our schedule.

So is this a recent development since we have sucked for a decade and they have improved, even beating us on occasion?

Does this stem from the basketball altercations in recent years?

Do they somehow feel slighted by A&M because we did not care about them for so long?

Don't really understand it as I have never really cared about Baylor one way or the other, more of a general apathy really.

Nuke LaLoosh
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butthurt.
Ragnar Danneskjold
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theyre 3-27 in the last 30 years?
John Maplethorpe
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quote:
Then again, back then they were irrelevant and we didn't really give them much thought one way or the other.

Uhh. Baylor was a lot more relevant in the 90's than they've been at any time since then...
Artorias
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Yeah but I would imagine they are 3-27 against most Texas schools. Yet they seem to hate us more than others.
ImWhatTigersDreamOf
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they're Baylor

They're in Waco

They were forced at some point in their lives to spend 4 years in Waco

they're baylor

and lastly,

THEY'RE BAYLOR!



any of the above reasons may explain the extreme butthurt that oozes out of many in the Waco/Temple/Killeen area
Tafelmeier94
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I was at TAMU from 90-94 & I remember Baylor hating us then. I remember going to a game in Waco & they trashed a bunch of Aggie cars.
Ragnar Danneskjold
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they like to think theyre on the cusp of being ivy league, as the closest better regarded school Aggies often have to remind them of how everyone views them as a joke.
P.C. Principal
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Who else would they hate?
12thman77
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^
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This
Artorias
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Someone more traditionally on their level, like SMU? If not for recent years, would say TCU, but they are good now.
W
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Baylor gave up all hope up catching the longhorns many years ago.

Also the Bears had a lot of success against A&M until the mid-1980's. Grant Teaff did not like Jackie at all.
tford12
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a lot of bitterness stems from an incedent back in the early-mid 1900s when a cadet was killed in a brawl/riot in waco. there are still debates as to whose fault it was etc, and the baylor side of the story is completely opposite from the a&m side.

plus, when baylor was at their best, (80s and early 90s)...that was also when we were amazing. back in the day they could beat texas all day. but they never could seem to be able to get past A&M. butthurt
TxAgKuwait
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Baylor's hatred of all things A&M was in full flower during my days at the cow college Fall 74-78.

It might have had something to do with A&M men having their way with multitudes of Baylor women back when A&M was all male. Even then, Baylor men were notable for being "of the tap dancing persuasion" if you know what I mean and I think you do.

Except for some sporadic luck, both A&M and Baylor were pretty sorry football-wise during the 60s up until about 74. Both Baylor (under Grant Teaff) and A&M (under Bellard) started to emerge as relevant in the old SWC while tu started to slide. A&M continued to advance until the Fran era while Baylor never recovered after Teaff's departure. Baylorites absolutely froth at the mouth over the fact they failed to keep pace.

A&M emerged as a co-flagship university of the great state of Texas and generally when one is discussing higher education in the state, the schools mentioned are Rice, Texas, and A&M. If Baylor gets mentioned at all it is usually with a smirk and a snicker about how Baptists go there for 4 yrs to pretend they are worldly.

Not much can be said good about Baylor but Senator-elect Rand Paul's membership in the Noze Brotherhood is intriguing. Aqua Buddha?
MW03
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Outside of the 3 decades worth of beat downs, a BU guy told me that A&M was leading the charge to get Baylor left out of the Big 12 in favor of TCU. Who knows if that is true, though...
oldjohnny
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I asked a Baylor grad the same question once. I was told that the hate can be traced back to the days when we were an all male, all cadet school. Many of the cadets would drive up to Waco and date Baylor girls. This angered many of the male Baylor students and they have hated us since.

Personally, I don't care if they like us or hate us. They're Baylor. Who cares what they think.
leoj
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http://www.baylorfans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=202068

apparently bonfire falling was karma

**** those baptist mother****ers. I hope von sends their messiah to the ER and they all commit ritual suicide. no one would miss them or care
Ulrich
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First we look for flaws inherent to Baylor that may inspire resentment. They pay a premium price for an average education. They have subpar sports teams, having been a joke for the entirety of the current students' memory prior to the last 3 years. In the last 3 years, they have accomplished a small amount of success which, when contrasted with their prior rotten teams, has made them overestimate their teams. The difference in their perception and national perception fuels more resentment among the bears.

Now, to select a target. The extreme hate has really flared up in the past 3-4 years, coinciding with the recent hiccup in sports success. If we start looking in that timeframe, they are most likely to settle a Big XII South school to hate because of multiple yearly contests. Going down the list team by team, OSU and OU are out of state. Texas has been out of their reach until 2010. Texas Tech can be safely dismissed based on their own poor academics and lack of a well-rounded sports program.

The last Big XII S school is Texas A&M. We have geographic proximity and superior academics and reputation. Add a tradition of great football marred by a current decade of bad football plus our nouveau riche basketball team and we are a big target that Baylor felt like they could legitimately overtake. They have spent several years now developing their lack of sportsmanship especially at basketball games and so are becoming quite the experts on hatred and crass behavior.
Agsuffering@bulaw
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They actually think they are better educated, more sophisticated, and more spiritually righteous than us. Paying too much for an undergrad degree does crazy things to a person.

Most of them are good people except for when it comes to sports. Seriously, they see themselves as being "persecuted for their righteousness" when they lose sporting events.
BigMoneyTxAg
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MW03 looks like we called that one correctly
stingaree
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My experience growing up in Texas was that everyone save Aggies hates A&M. There is no doubt that, as a University, it is truly sui generis. If you attend there you embrace that as a positive. But if you don't...
skipper_ag06
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ha, baylor without the fact they "get" to play big 12 schools in sports is a non-existent institution. like literally no one would care or know if baylor disappeared. i thinks that part of where the bitterness comes from is knowing that with out grabbing onto texas or the ags coattails their sphere of influence is at best the outskirts of waco.
OlsenBum
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what ImWhatTigersDreamOf said
Old Army Metal
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Same reason that Al-Qaeda hates us. They think we're inferior, morally, and hate us for being superior in every other conceivable way.
Joe_the_Plumber
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Baylor is the anti-christ!
CanyonAg77
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It goes way, way back.

Baylor is the oldest college in Texas.
A&M is the oldest state college.

We've been playing football since 1899.

Geographic proximity means competition for the same students, especially back when travel was not so easy. This also led to a lot of families with graduates of each school and family feuds.

As said above, Aggie cadets have a long history of poaching Baylor women from the less manly Baylor guys, especially for the first 90-100 years of our history when the female population was low to non-existent in College Station.

Baylor, TCU, SMU, Rice, all used to be competitive with A&M and Texas in football back in the first half of the last century. They still long for those days.

Probably some class warfare, it costs more to go to Baylor, and A&M was historically, well, an A&M college. Under the Morill act, A&M colleges were established for the sons of working men to get a practical education, while Baylor was the place you went to learn Latin and Shakespeare.

In the 1925 A&M/Baylor game, Baylor brought a jalopy Model T onto the field as some sort of "spirit" vehicle, and almost ran over some Aggie football players.

At the 1926 game in Waco, after an agreement that the car would not return, some cars were driven onto the field. Thinking it was the 1925 incident again, Ags rushed the field, and a coed was knocked off the car. Ags said they thought the women on the cars were Baylor men in drag.

Wonder why they would think that

A fight broke out, Aggies said that Baylor had trunks full of wooden planks brought for the occasion and started beating cadets. Baylor claimed the trunks were football equipment.

Colonel Dunn, the Aggie Band director, had the BQs play the National Anthem, and the cadets came to attention, saluted, and the riot stopped.

Senior Cadet Charles Sessums of Dallas was hit in the back of the head with a chair. Some Aggies claim it was after he had come to attention. He walked off the field, but died the next day, probably of a blood clot.

Aggie legend claims that the cadets stopped a northbound train, loaded one of their training cannons on board, and headed to Waco to level the campus. Supposedly only the Texas Rangers stopped them.

Great story, pure bullcrap. Besides, the Ags would have taken infantry, artillery, signal corps, etc. etc. not just one cannon.

It was not a Corps trip, so the entire student body was not at Waco. Aggies said Baylor never would have tried anything with the whole Corps in attendance.

The Ags sent an apology letter to the Baylor newspaper, saying that an Aggie would never intentionally harm a woman. The Baylor paper edited it to read that "an Aggie would never intentionally touch a woman".

Investigations were made, but the killer was never identified, in spite of tons of witnesses. The father of Sessums suspected that the son of a prominent family was involved, which was why it never came to light. Some Baylor guy probably went to his grave in the last 30 years knowing he was a killer, and never telling a soul.

All athletic contests between the schools were suspended for the next four years, until all involved had a chance to graduate.

As an aside, after the famous Rice MOB incident of 1973, things were getting ugly in the stands. We BQs were told by our director to be ready to play the National Anthem, just like 47 years before. It never came to that.

Now, what was the question again?
ag-bq-seventy
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I got news for you. All of the old SWC schools hated us, save Arkansas perhaps. Arkansas had their way with us so much, they didn't seem to be visceral in their feelings for us.

Tech's hate has increased over the years, Baylor's has stayed about the same. But you should have heard the comments from Cougar High, Farina Lovin', and Chineese Food students and alumni.

And, of course, the 'sips found us to be beneath contempt and not worthy of life anywhere in the universe.

One can only speculate as to why, but some who've posted here seem to share my opinion, so I'll leave it at that.
jsdaltxag
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It's because we steal all their chicks.
DrZ
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I hear the word hate directed at them more than from them.

If you guys are so excited about the SEC get use to hate. Its every week and its a lot stronger than the hate from Baylor. Do you think we would get a warm reception from LSU,Alabama,Arkansas. In the football fan world hate means that you have a good team. Nobody hates SMU.
CDub06
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Because they're hateful people. Despite their mission statement, they actually worshipa god of athletics. They do anything they can to win, even cheat. And the have not been successful historically.

They envy us because we have been more successful and hate us because of close proximity. We remind them that they're still Baylor and are down the pecking order in both Athletics and Academics. They don't like that.

They search desperately for validation from anyone.
CDub06
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And I cannot stand the tools that Baylor produces. Christian school??? Please.

Most of the girls I know from Baylor are actually very nice. The dudes are total jokes though.
piag94
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I was told that the hate can be traced back to the days when we were an all male, all cadet school. Many of the cadets would drive up to Waco and date Baylor girls
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lived in Waco my entire life and have many Baylor friends. The above is 100% correct. Baylor girls love aggie guys.

nuff said
BryanAggie2013
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Why do they refer to us as aggie with a y rather than ie?Like as a whole they talk about beating or hating aggie with a y. What's that about? Sorry it wouldn't let me type it without censoring it.

[This message has been edited by garrettc16 (edited 11/9/2010 8:47a).]
CDub06
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That starred word is aggy.

Yeah, I don't understand what's derogatory about that word either. They're short on brains there in Waco.
BryanAggie2013
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Ya how'd you get it through the censor?
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