"I think it all starts when we talk to recruits and we talk to players and we hire coaches, we have only an expectation of winning national championships, we have expectations of winning the Big 12 South, winning all of our home games...We have a legitimate chance to win championships, not just win games but win championships"

Bill Byrne on the same date: "He is the person to take Texas A&M football where we all want it to go and that is to win national championships."


These are lofty goals, but Sherman made a clear statement that A&M should (not could) win championships given the resources, fan base and recruiting base.

My question is simple: How many years from the date of his first season as head coach do you give Sherman to meet these standards he and Byrne laid out for Aggie football?

As soon as we have a veteran offensive line for a change.

Four years. Then it is completely his team and there are no more excuses.

We're starting a freshman left tackle. Give it time. The problem isn't with the football knowledge or the recruiting ability of our HC or his staff. I think we're lucky to have $Bill as well though, so my opinion isn't wanted here.

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The people who still have not realized or are unwilling to admit that Sherm is not the guy will always find an excuse to give him one more year.

Years 1 and 2- the cupboard was bare.
Year 3- young OL
Year 4- First year starting QB
Year 5 and beyond- lather, rinse, repeat.

I have said since day 1 for Sherman that it would be year 4 till we competed for the conf championship...I stll think next year really is the year for the Ags!

I will give any coach 5 years when the school hadn't won 10 games in a season for the 10 years prior to him taking over.

Yeah yeah, everyone in the effing world knows we have a true freshman at tackle. Who gives a sh*t. I'll give the oline 2 more games to come together or it is just coaching

So mutual you are saying we should of been competing for conf championship in his first two years? Really?

Mutual probably feels that competing for conference championships after the very first game was the only logical goal. Especially after having such a wonderful coaching staff during the Fran years.

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Yeah yeah, everyone in the effing world knows we have a true freshman at tackle. Who gives a sh*t. I'll give the oline 2 more games to come together or it is just coaching

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Wow, talk to someone who actually plays football. You think a true fish can just "figure it out" in 6 games?

All it takes is one person of the 11 to mess up or be off by a hair to foul the system. You learn from experience and from familiarity of the opponent.

Looks like you will be sorely disappointed.

As soon as we get someone who can coach up our OL. Its yr 3rd and a freshman is the best we can do on the line?

Stop and start over again with the excuses. And then do it again. Restart now. And do it again and again and .............................

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I have used Mutual Friend's excuses for years 1 & 2. I am disappointed with how this year is starting out, but I put more blame on JJ than Sherman. I still think we can go 8-4 or 9-3, but I think 7-5 is more realistic.

Do I think Sherman is the guy to lead us to the promised land? At this point, no. But he has us headed in the right direction. It may be slow, but we are making progress. We will be better off when he is gone than when he got here.

Excuses end after this year. The first year QB excuse won't fly since Tannehill will be a SR and should know the offense, and he has enough talent himself and around him to do well. We will return a lot on both sides next year. (I really think Fuller will be back next year based on the almost certainty of a lockout next year.) No matter how good or bad we do this year, we will be better next year.




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The people who still have not realized or are unwilling to admit that Sherm is not the guy will always find an excuse to give him one more year.

Years 1 and 2- the cupboard was bare.
Year 3- young OL
Year 4- First year starting QB
Year 5 and beyond- lather, rinse, repeat.

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Nail, hammer. The reason why we lose is the A&M culture of blind support. A day after canning Fran, Dollar Bill drove a few miles down the highway to hire a washed-up NFL coach who was riding out his has-been career, declared that to be a "nation-wide" search, gave said coach (our wonderful Sleepy Sherm) a 7 freaking year contract and STILL we had people on here claiming that to be a great move and a respectable coaching search with intelligent contract terms. Unreal.

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Wow, some of you are delusional and know nothing about football.

Well, enlighten us Charlie.




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I fail to see how people think that we will be much better next year. Won't be be breaking in a new quarterback?
The more college football I watch, I really think that having an experienced qb is a necessary to really being consistent.

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"I think it all starts when we talk to recruits and we talk to players and we hire coaches, we have only an expectation of winning national championships, we have expectations of winning the Big 12 South, winning all of our home games...We have a legitimate chance to win championships, not just win games but win championships"

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What else was he supposed to say? What if he didn't say something along these lines? Much of it is coach speak anyway.

There were 7 significant coaching changes in '07, best to worst records through this season.

Bo Pelini- 24-8
Paul Johnson 23-9
Houston Nutt 21-10
Bobby Petrino 16-13
Rick Neuheisel 14-16
Mike Sherman 13-16
Rich Rod 13-16

Pelini has over achieved and will continue to be a great choice by NU.

Johnson over achieved with his option attack early. Tough losses to Kansas and NC State so far with Clemson, VA Tech, and Miami left.

Nutt had early success. He looks to have a losing record this season with Bama, Auburn, Tenn, Ark, LSU left on the slate.

Petrino is having a great season, ranked #11. I see him taking them to great success in the SEC.

Rich Rod looks like he has found a QB for his system. Tough first two seasons but he has things turned around.

Neuheisel has the upset of tu, but otherwise has underperformed.

Sherman underachieved the first season. Had the upset of ttu, and finished 6-7 his second season. If we can get to 8 wins- Mizzou, KS, ttu, Bay, and one upset of Ark, tu, or OU- he would have 8 wins in year 3 and sit 21-20 in 3 years. Not championships but building a program. His best success so far is hiring DeRuyter. I see DeRuyter continuing to improve the Defense and eventually taking over the program.

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So mutual you are saying we should of been competing for conf championship in his first two years? Really?

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Mutual probably feels that competing for conference championships after the very first game was the only logical goal. Especially after having such a wonderful coaching staff during the Fran years.

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candlyland, oldfart, you know what they say you do when you assume...

Do I think we should have expected to challenge for the conference title in Sherm's first two years? No, and I challenge either of you to point out where I stated or implied such a thing.

News flash, football is not a binary endeavor. There are more possible outcomes than a) being embarrassingly bad and b) competing for confernce tiltes. There are degrees of success in between.

I did feel that:

• we shouldn't lose to Sun Belt teams at Kyle Field
• we shouldn't give up 40+ points in 12 of 25 games
• we should have better than 5-15 record against teams from BCS conferneces
• that we should be able to beat an OSU team (not Texas, not OU, but OSU) that replaced 15 starters
• considering we buy three wins every year, it's not unreasonable to expect a overall winning record after 3 years (which unless we get our **** together real quick, ain't gonna happen)

I don't think any of these things are unreasonable. But if it makes you feel better to think that anyone who thinks Sherman is not the guy simply has unreasoanble, pie-in-the-sky expectations, then be my guest. But tell, us this- how long should we wait for Sherm to compete for- not win, but compete for- a conference title? Four years? Five years? And does he actually have to win a confernece title, or are you guys going to be happy just to be in the running once a decade?

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If we can get to 8 wins- Mizzou, KS, ttu, Bay, and one upset of Ark, tu, or OU- he would have 8 wins in year 3 and sit 21-20 in 3 years.

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8-4 puts Sherm at 18-19. I really hope we get there, but I just don't see it. Based on our track record under Sherm, we're just as likely to blow one of the games you chalk up as win as we are to get one ofthe upsets.

I think Sherman is the guy. For those of you that don't, please tell me what he lacks, or why you don't think he is the guy.

Imagine what we might have been had our original D coordinator not chosen to go to Dallas. This severely hampered our success in my opinion.

JJ's mistakes this year are troubling, but I can see why Sherman left him in instead of going to Tannehill.

Now that we have a decent D coord, I think the progress will continue.

If a former NFL o-line coach can't get our line together, then no one could. Look at the quality of recruits he has brought in for those positions. Simply shows that we are heading the right way. I think Sherman gets 2 more years at least before Bill even thinks of parting ways.

I'll admit it then if I am wrong, but I sure hope you guys/gals that don't think he is the answer are ready to admit you were wrong.

And for the record, I think it is fair to question decisions. No person should blindly follow the pack, but please don't forget what it means to be an Aggie along the way.

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Four years. Then it is completely his team and there are no more excuses.

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FOUR years to win a NC? You must be ****ing high.

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Sherman underachieved the first season. Had the upset of ttu, and finished 6-7 his second season. If we can get to 8 wins- Mizzou, KS, ttu, Bay, and one upset of Ark, tu, or OU- he would have 8 wins in year 3 and sit 21-20 in 3 years. Not championships but building a program. His best success so far is hiring DeRuyter. I see DeRuyter continuing to improve the Defense and eventually taking over the program.

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spot on!

20 years

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It's our tradition

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The reason why we lose is the A&M culture of blind support. A day after canning Fran, Dollar Bill drove a few miles down the highway to hire a washed-up NFL coach who was riding out his has-been career, declared that to be a "nation-wide" search, gave said coach (our wonderful Sleepy Sherm) a 7 freaking year contract and STILL we had people on here claiming that to be a great move and a respectable coaching search with intelligent contract terms. Unreal.

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Shermie is better than abortioni, but we will not win big with him. Lower your expectations.
6, possibly 7, wins is all were going to get for a while.

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I think we're lucky to have $Bill as well though, so my opinion isn't wanted here.

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You have an SECEDE license plate and you support byrne. Bit conflicted much?

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I think Sherman is the guy. For those of you that don't, please tell me what he lacks, or why you don't think he is the guy.

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See my list above for specific reasons why I don't think he is the guy. AS for what he is missing, how should I know. But he is missing something.

Take a look at 83Aggie's list of coaches hired the same year as Sherm. Sherm is missing whatever those coaches have. Only Rich Rod has done as little with more resources than Sherm, and he has a proven track record as a college coach. Some may say that Slick Rick has underachieved at UCLA, and if you look at his record its not much better than Sherm's. But, take a look at UCLA's non-conference schedule- Tennesse (x2), BYU, Fresno St., Kansas St. (x2), San Diego St., Texas, Houston. Unlike the Ags, there's not a lot of purchased wins to pad his stats. Sherm is well behind every other coach in the class of '08 except Rich Rod, and based on past performances and early returns this year, I'd bet on Rich Rod before I'd bet on Sherm.

we seriously have a lot of negative changes coming next year personnel wise. i'm really curious to see what the excuses are going to be next year at this time from him and some of you.

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i'm really curious to see what the excuses are going to be next year

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I'm pretty sure people are just recycling the same excuses from the Fran era.

also, Mutual..your original post in this thread is dead on.

its funny how so many of the people making excuses for Sherman are the ones who really wanted him hired in the first place. you basically just want to be right about the hire.

Exactly one year LESS than Tom Osbourne.

milkman
I think Sherman is a class act as a person; just as RC was/is. However, what concerns me is his ability to recruit.

I think his personality is about as exciting as watching paint dry. I am concerned that his charisma does not appeal to the young teenage, high profile football all american. If it did, then why does he continue to get his tail kicked by mack and stoops in recruiting?

I know that we all have our opinion of what makes a great college football coach. My opinion is the criteria is the following:
1) be an excellent recruiter and hire coaches who are great recruiters - up to this point, fail(the proof is in the pudding)
2) be able to hire a good coaching staff - acceptable
3) be able to create enthusiasm amongst alumni - fail(we may sell out 1 - 2 home games this yr and we cannot even get on tv because the networks do not deem us as a team that draws national interest)

Sherm is a very good x's and o's coach. In college, this does not necessarily correlate to success. I think Sherm lacks many of the intagibles that I listed above.

Stoops, Saban, Mack and Meyer are not great x's and o's type coaches. Sherm is superior to all 4 of these guys when it comes to x's and o's, but all four of them kick his tail when comparing success and results.

How do they achieve their success? They recruit their tails off, hire good coaches and energize their fan base.

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