The sips to shove their ego, NU and MU to sit tight, throw out invites to Utah, BYU, and a couple of ACC or Big East teams and then renegotiate the TV contracts? It seems like every conference is being proactive where the Big XII is being reactive.

Texas IS the Big XII, or were you sleeping during that part of class.

Dan Beebe

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Texas IS the Big XII, or were you sleeping during that part of class.

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They're the primadonnas, that's for sure. But if a few of the other Big XII big boys step up and tell them to STFU, then they'll either pout like a little ***** or try to leave. All they really want is money, and better TV contracts will deliver that.

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But if a few of the other Big XII big boys step up

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I challenge you to name these supposed other "big boys" and how they are exactly going to tell Texas to shut up when Texas "runs thangs" in this conference?

Texas has everybody by the balls; save maybe NE, MO, and us.

the big 12 cant do anything like that, mainly because it is too late, and is falling apart

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All they really want is money

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Don't kid yourself, that is all we want too......that is all that this is about for every school/program.

mizzou needs to stop threatning to go the to big 10. they have been doing it for years. nebraska is doing the same. do you think texas really wants to break up the big 12. they have never been in a better position. they make more money than everybody and they control the conference.

dont let your hatred of texas get in the way of the facts. if texas had its way it would keep the big 12 but texas is not going to sit around and let nu and mu take off to the big 12 with no backup plan.

Dan Beebe = Fred Jacoby. Seriously. Go look up some of Jacoby's quotes from back in the day. He didn't believe there was any real threat to the SWC until the sips upset Nebraska in the first Big 12 title game. And then, Jacoby's solution was to invite Louisville and Tulsa into the conference. Very sad.

Sabreman '92

I did a search for Jacoby's name and found an interesting article about conference realignment from 1994.

It's pretty interesting to read how everything is different and also the same between 2010 and then.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1208/is_n10_v217/ai_15194686/

Honestly (and I know that this might not be a popular theory on this website), but I think that Texas, A&M, OU and OSU are all in this together. Neb and Mizzou were testing the waters of leaving and slow playing it. They wanted more time to see if it would be profitable, all the while creating uncertainty in the Big 12.

The four big schools from the South wanted to call them on it because the Big 12 brass wouldn't. So well placed media items were created to apply pressure on Neb and Mizzou, putting the blame of the dismantling of the Big 12 in their hands.

Texas might be out front because they carry the most weight right now, but I feel that there is a hot line running from College Station to Austin to Norman to Stillwater and they are all acting as one in the best interest of keeping a regional conference in place.

Might be a little simple, but most answers are.

To the OP, I'm not sure we can renegotiate our contracts right now; therefore I alot of schools won't care about our invites since most have better deals in their respective conferences.


Fact is for years the Big12 had a crappy TV contract and should have addressed it years ago and tried to pull schools in then.

Now it is too late. No way Nebraska or Mizz sit still if the Big10 is really interested in them. I give Mizz credit, they recognized how bad the B12 was and they kept pushing themselves onto the Big10 and it seems it might work.

aggiemaster, one thing i found interesting from that article:

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When asked, "Which one of the SWC teams do you root for the most?" 1 percent of the state's residents chose SMU. Rice got 1 percent, Houston got 4 percent and TCU 5 percent. The four schools leaving had fan bases ranging from 9 percent (Baylor) to 36 percent (Texas A&M).

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so, at that point in time, when we were the ones owning the scoreboard, we were the state's biggest draw.

Big 12 is like a bad marriage. When one team starts dating someone else on the side its a little late for marriage counseling.
Beebe's job was to make all teams feel like they were equally important to the conference. The absence of this ultimately was what caused the Big 12 to fail.

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aggiemaster, one thing i found interesting from that article:

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When asked, "Which one of the SWC teams do you root for the most?" 1 percent of the state's residents chose SMU. Rice got 1 percent, Houston got 4 percent and TCU 5 percent. The four schools leaving had fan bases ranging from 9 percent (Baylor) to 36 percent (Texas A&M).

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so, at that point in time, when we were the ones owning the scoreboard, we were the state's biggest draw.

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Yeah, that was the one thing that I would say was different from 1994 compared to now. I'm sure we are way above 3rd place but Texas has the #1 spot locked down by a mile.

Everything else seems very similar to now. Texas and A&M are wanted by several groups and Baylor is using politicians to force their way in to the new conference.

It also said that U of H was crying about being left out and was talking about going to the SEC, but their academics were horrible. That's the same story of U of H right now. Go to their board and I'm sure you'll find at least two or three "let's go to the SEC" threads on the front page.

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[The horns are] the primadonnas, that's for sure. But if a few of the other Big XII big boys step up and tell them to STFU, then they'll either pout like a little ***** or try to leave. All they really want is money, and better TV contracts will deliver that.

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Seriously? Tell me you really did not type this. They control this league and if you don't believe that then you have your head in the sand. In just the past decade their football team has won the Holiday Bowl twice, the Rose Bowl twice, the Fiesta Bowl once, and the Cotton Bowl once. They have been in a BCS game 4 times in 6 years and only lost one of them. Do you realize how much money that brings in to the conference? Let alone how much they really contribute with their godforsaken fanbase in potential marketing and advertizing dollars for the conference? They are running the show, don't kid yourself.

Damn you for making me admit and type all that crap...I have to go take a bath and wash the burnt orange stank off my clothes now thanks to you.

texas is more important than all of the teams in the big XII combined.

If they left, they could form a conference that brings in more money than what is left of the big XII.

They are the top program in the country. This is not even disputable. If you put out any important metric, they are in the top 3.

Don't kid yourself. They are the only team right now that can pick whatever conference they want to go to and then be the top dog.

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