Would this subject be of historical value?

Perhaps this project will shed some light on the who/what/where...

Yea coming down was kinda spooky. Required precision foot placement or either you could slide off the step or land too far back and heel hit the vertical part. Either way it could be an ugly misstep.

I was 20 and in very good shape at the time…but remember being somewhat "winded" when reaching the top!! We had gone down in 1986 as a church group in 3 vans from Central Texas to a small village south of Mexico City for two weeks to help build a church for the locals. We took a day off to drive over to see it. I highly doubt that trip would even be doable in today's world.

Went down to Mx City for 60th birthday. I made it

Deerdude said:

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Went down to Mx City for 60th birthday. I made it

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That's great. I wasn't referring to getting there from Mexico City, as I'm sure that's very doable….i was referring to driving from Texas to just south of Mexico City, which is a shame because there's some beautiful country down there!

Bighunter43 said:

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Deerdude said:

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Went down to Mx City for 60th birthday. I made it

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That's great. I wasn't referring to getting there from Mexico City, as I'm sure that's very doable….i was referring to driving from Texas to just south of Mexico City, which is a shame because there's some beautiful country down there!

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Back in 80's I sold boats and delivered into Mexico. Most to Guadalajara and Puerto Vallarta, a few to Leon, Monterey, and one to Acapulco. Crazy long haired gringo in an open CJ hauling boats. Never a worry.
No way in hell I'd make the run from Nuevo Laredo to Monterey or Zacatecas these days.

Deerdude said:

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Bighunter43 said:

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Deerdude said:

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Went down to Mx City for 60th birthday. I made it

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That's great. I wasn't referring to getting there from Mexico City, as I'm sure that's very doable….i was referring to driving from Texas to just south of Mexico City, which is a shame because there's some beautiful country down there!

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Back in 80's I sold boats and delivered into Mexico. Most to Guadalajara and Puerto Vallarta, a few to Leon, Monterey, and one to Acapulco. Crazy long haired gringo in an open CJ hauling boats. Never a worry.
No way in hell I'd make the run from Nuevo Laredo to Monterey or Zacatecas these days.

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Wow….that had to be quite the adventure. No I'm not sure I'd even venture across into Laredo anymore!

When I was a kid, say 8 or 9, we drove to Nuevo Laredo to go shopping. We were in the old part of town and there were all these shops down the street. Mom and dad gave my brother and I $5 to go wander around the shops and find something we liked, then pointed to a public clock and said, "Meet us there in an hour."

No way in hell that would happen today.

The defining event that changed the border (for historical insight) was in about 1988 or 89, when some spring breakers from Texas were killed by a cartel that had some bizarre belief that if they dipped their hands in their blood or something they would be invisible to the police. Or something to that effect. It was all over national news for weeks, and after that, no families went to the border. Those who did go flew directly into the tourist spots and avoided the border regions.

I just decided to google that incident from the 80s, and my memory on it was actually really, really close. (Graphic warning)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Mark_Kilroy

Yea i chased oilfield to Laredo in 81 I think when the Chalk started to fizzle out. It was pretty standard to party on this side until closing then head across the river and hit maybe Cadillac, Lions Den, or maybe Boccasio 2000 (sp) and sometimes Boystown. My now wife and many girlfriends went there, the entertainment never bothered a table with women guests.

I grew up in CDMX and as a kid we visited Teotihuacan many, many times. It was routine for any visitor to have a day at the pyramids.

One of the wildest, coolest things I have seen in my life I saw at Teotihuacan. The pyramid of the Moon sits on top of some kind of cave system, there are actually caves or caverns all over that area. My mother knew people that lived out there and had made friends with people at the pyramids. One time we were out there and they told us about it being some kind of special time or something for the tarantulas that lived in the caves. About 200-300 yards behind the pyramid of the moon was a grotto entrance to fairly large cave system, at least to a 11 or 12 year old.

We went down into there with lanterns and flashlights and the walls, floor, ceilings of the caves were covered with tarantulas and they were moving or going somewhere or something. To watch that mass of spiders, the memory still raises the hair on the back of my neck, was something else.

There was/is all kinds of cool stuff around that area and in the 70's it was still pretty much wide open. We visited a village near there where the villagers had been digging stuff up and such. They had all kinds of artifacts for sale, basically illegal but hey it was the 70's in Mexico, and one of the things they had was an obsidian and jade burial mask and other stuff. They offered it to my mother for like the equivalent of $350 US at the time. She told me that she regretted not buying it many times as who knows where it ended up. We still have several things that came from that area, but nothing substantial.

At one time that area had to have had a large civilization living around it. Supposedly there is still quite a bit to excavate.

Another really, really cool MesoAmerican city, and one not well known or visited due to location, is El Tajin on the coast in Veracruz. Fascinating.