What would the world look like today if the US had backed Germany in the war and won?
This one's been debated a lot, actually, with most thinking that Stalin was going to invade regardless...Hitler just beat him to the punch.ReloadAg said:
Another good question is what would have happened had Hitler not invaded Russia and had more resources to prevent an attempted Allied invasion of Western Europe?
ReloadAg said:
Another good question is what would have happened had Hitler not invaded Russia and had more resources to prevent an attempted Allied invasion of Western Europe?
Same exact thing. Napoleon held Moscow for a time, if I recall correctly. It's keeping Moscow that appears to be tricky...aeroag14 said:ReloadAg said:
Another good question is what would have happened had Hitler not invaded Russia and had more resources to prevent an attempted Allied invasion of Western Europe?
I am not even sure if that is the best question. If he doesn't invade, as is said above, Stalin eventually invades Germany. With the sheer resources and man power of the soviet union I cant imagine the Germans in the east outlasting the continual onslaught of war coming from Russia.
I, personally, think the most interesting question is "What if the Nazis had captured Moscow?". At their closest point they were something like 12 miles from the Kremlin.
we where selling arms to France and Germany. I think Germany attacking our ships had more to do with us getting involved than the Mexico stuff.Old Jock 1997 said:
There was never a question who we were backing in WWII.
Different story in WWI. What changed the tide was Germany's attempts to convince Mexico to invade the SW US.
Regardless if they had killed him or not, the Germans basically screwed themselves when they started to treat the Baltic states and the Ukraine as conquered territory. Had they been more like the Americans and Brits in France in 1944 the outcome may have been a tad different.JJMt said:What if they had captured and/or killed Stalin while taking Moscow? I've read some historians that think that the Soviets would have collapsed if Stalin had been captured or killed. One of the weaknesses of the cult of personality, I suppose.Quote:
I don't think the Germans would have ever knocked the Soviets out of the war even if they took and held Moscow. The Soviets would have just kept moving East. And then you have all that land mass to occupy.
Absolutely agreed. The first few weeks the Russians were treating the Germans as liberators.Rabid Cougar said:Regardless if they had killed him or not, the Germans basically screwed themselves when they started to treat the Baltic states and the Ukraine as conquered territory. Had they been more like the Americans and Brits in France in 1944 the outcome may have been a tad different.JJMt said:What if they had captured and/or killed Stalin while taking Moscow? I've read some historians that think that the Soviets would have collapsed if Stalin had been captured or killed. One of the weaknesses of the cult of personality, I suppose.Quote:
I don't think the Germans would have ever knocked the Soviets out of the war even if they took and held Moscow. The Soviets would have just kept moving East. And then you have all that land mass to occupy.
1) FDR was not a communist 2)True Germany did appear to be a bigger threat.cbr said:
The only reason backing Russia instead of Germany was an easy decision is 1) Roosevelt was a Commie, and 2) Germany looked like they would be scarier first, before Russia became scarier.
Russia was more evil. More powerful. More of a long term threat. More of an ideological threat. But Germany was on the cusp of controlling all of Europe first, so there is no way we could ignore Germany.
If Germany had won Europe, it is hard to say whether history would be worse than the Cold War or not.
option short side said:1) FDR was not a communist 2)True Germany did appear to be a bigger threat.cbr said:
The only reason backing Russia instead of Germany was an easy decision is 1) Roosevelt was a Commie, and 2) Germany looked like they would be scarier first, before Russia became scarier.
Russia was more evil. More powerful. More of a long term threat. More of an ideological threat. But Germany was on the cusp of controlling all of Europe first, so there is no way we could ignore Germany.
If Germany had won Europe, it is hard to say whether history would be worse than the Cold War or not.
In hindsight the Soviet Union was more powerful but nobody thought that in 1941. Stalin's Officer purge coupled with their poor performance in the Winter War, the Soviet Union still looked like a military novice.
Russia being more evil is subjective. Certainly Stalin was a mad man who killed more of his people than Hitler. However, Hitler attempted to systematically eliminate a group of people worldwide. The Cold War period was actually one of the most peaceful times in world history and I believe a Nazi Europe would certainly have been worse. For one, the Germans would have had a much stronger and dynamic economy than the Soviets just for the fact that they weren't communist.
and the Africans, Cubans etc. What I said was the Cold War was one of the most peaceful times in world history. The Soviets and the United States realized war was not in their best interests economically, politically, or in terms of actual human survival. I would say the world was very lucky that there were only regional conflicts associated with all the Independence movements following World War II.Old Jock 1997 said:option short side said:1) FDR was not a communist 2)True Germany did appear to be a bigger threat.cbr said:
The only reason backing Russia instead of Germany was an easy decision is 1) Roosevelt was a Commie, and 2) Germany looked like they would be scarier first, before Russia became scarier.
Russia was more evil. More powerful. More of a long term threat. More of an ideological threat. But Germany was on the cusp of controlling all of Europe first, so there is no way we could ignore Germany.
If Germany had won Europe, it is hard to say whether history would be worse than the Cold War or not.
In hindsight the Soviet Union was more powerful but nobody thought that in 1941. Stalin's Officer purge coupled with their poor performance in the Winter War, the Soviet Union still looked like a military novice.
Russia being more evil is subjective. Certainly Stalin was a mad man who killed more of his people than Hitler. However, Hitler attempted to systematically eliminate a group of people worldwide. The Cold War period was actually one of the most peaceful times in world history and I believe a Nazi Europe would certainly have been worse. For one, the Germans would have had a much stronger and dynamic economy than the Soviets just for the fact that they weren't communist.
The Cold War was peaceful? Im pretty sure the Chinese, Koreans, and Vietnamese would disagree quite passionately.