Medal of Honor for James Earl Rudder

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jkag89
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Article from today's (4/8)Houston Chronicle -

Politicians seek Medal of Honor for the late James Earl Rudder
By Stewart M. Powell
CanyonAg77
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Mixed emotions on this one.

Rudder deserves one, IMO. Hell, if MacArthur got one for fleeing the Philippines and leaving General Moore '08 in charge, Rudder deserves a dozen.

However, read The Fool Lieutenant; a Personal Account of D-Day and WWII.

That crazy SOB was at Pointe Du Hoc with Rudder, then later single-handily captured a German Garrison of 800, armed with nothing more than a pistol, a hand grenade, and gonads the size of basketballs.

It's obvious from the book that he admired Rudder, thought he was the greatest officer ever.

Edlin was nominated for a MOH for the capture. Rudder called Edlin in and told him about it. He asked Edlin if he wanted it. Edlin said sure. Rudder told him that no other Ranger had a MOH. The clear implication was that no Ranger SHOULD have one. Faced with Rudder's opinion, and the fact that he would be yanked off the line and sent stateside if he received the MOH, Edlin declined.

Having read that passage, I believe Rudder would not have wanted the MOH.

Perhaps if he could have received one as a stand-in for all the men under him, maybe he would have taken it, I don't know.
AEK
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Technically MacArthur left Wainwright in charge but I see your point. The story goes that when Wainwright was nominated for the CMH MacArthur didn't support it...wainwright got it anyway.
Huktaz04
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Rangers don't need that ****.
Lee72
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Sent a copy of this to my ol' Army Aggie college prof (Class of 44), a retired Army Colonel. As a professor emeritus at A&M, he knew General Rudder on a very close basis. Here is what he had to say about this posting:
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I, too, have mixed feelings about this. I have no doubt that General Rudder deserved the MOH, but I think that it is an embarrassment to everyone concerned to pursue the MOH at this late date. I agree that General Rudder might be embarrassed today if he were awarded that medal and Edlin was not. Some things are best left alone. General Rudder was satisfied that he had always done his best, and he did not solicit or encourage praise for anything that he ever did. He was truly the greatest Soldier I ever knew.

General Rudder made a great point when he suggested that a Ranger should not be given a medal for doing something that Rangers are expected to do on a routine basis.

Most people don't know that General Rudder was pulled out of the Rangers and given command of an Infantry Regiment. He and that regiment were plugged into the gap at the Battle of the Bulge, and they had a lot to do with stopping the German offensive. His actions there may have been more significant than what he did at Pointe du Hoc, although I would not take anything away from the Normandy action. Tom Hatfield covers this in his Rudder biography. Hatfield also covers the Edlin story, and the execution of the only soldier executed by the U. S during WW2 for desertion (others were executed for rape and murder). Most folks don't know that it fell General Rudder's lot to carry out that execution. Very sad.

Talk about the fickle finger of fate: what were the odds against Rudder having to be involved with the Slovik execution? About 40,000 American troops were charged with desertion during WW2. Only Eddie Slovik was executed. (This should raise an eyebrow or two--it seems a bit unfair to me, although we always knew that we could be shot for cowardice). Slovik deserted from the 109th Infantry Regiment BEFORE Rudder was assigned to the regiment. Rudder had never met the soldier until the day of execution. By the time the appeals had made their rounds and the execution date was set, Rudder had been transferred to the 109th. Army protocol was that a deserter who was to be shot had to be shot by soldiers from his own regiment, so Rudder, as regimental commander felt that he had to be there. The division commander, to his credit, also was present. Rudder's message to his troops after the execution was a masterpiece.

Rudder told his wife about the incident later, but he never mentioned it to his kids, and they first learned of it when the crap hit the fan after the book about Slovik was published. Some of the stupid media people tried to infer that Rudder should get some of the blame for the Slovik affair, but he had nothing to do with it, and just happened to be the commander when the execution took place. He was under orders, and he did his duty.

Since 40,000 other deserters were not sentenced to die, one wonders why only Eddie Slovik took the rap. In my opinion, his desertion occurred at a critical time in the war. At that time it was going to be essential that every soldier stand his ground against the last ditch German attack. Casualties had taken their toll of our seasoned troops, and the army in Europe had a lot of recently drafted soldiers in it. Eisenhower's command had to make sure that desertions were held to a minimum, and they decided to make an example of Eddie Slovik. In short,
Private Slovik picked a very bad time to turn and run.

Later, Rudder said that he thought Slovik had a lot more problems than simple cowardice. In other words, perhaps Slovik should never have been drafted. Still, when we put on that uniform, we know the rules, and most of us obey them. The problem in 1944-45 was that the U. S. had reached the bottom of the manpower barrel, and desperate times call for desperate actions. We drafted nearly anyone who had a pulse. We came close to losing that war. During the Battle of the Bulge, cooks, medics and aviation mechanics who had never been in combat were handed rifles, told to dig a foxhole, and stay there. To their everlasting credit, they did what needed to be done.


powerbiscuit
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quote:
We came close to losing that war.


Is that true?
BeBopAg
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If there is (was) no vivid detail of any typical MOH individual heroics in Earl Rudder's DSC citation then...Rep. Bill Flores, Rep. Joe Barton, Rep. Louis Gohmer and Rep. Jeb Hensarling need to drop the entire matter.

They are simply barking up the wrong tree (even for politico posturing or noise effect).
45-70Ag
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quote:
Is that true?


i'm not sure how true it is, but if the germans had been able to break out, the war could have been lengthened by who knows how long i think?

others more versed in terms of where we stood militarily have a better clue.
aalan94
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No we didn't come close to losing the war, but he's right, we came close to a serious reverse which would have had enormous consequences. Ultimately, we would have crushed the German bulge, but we would have barely been across the Rhein (maybe not if they blew the bridge at Remagen) before the Russians were in Moscow.

I respect all old guys for what they did, but being there doesn't always make your perspective right. You have a vested interest and tunnel vision and so, valuable as your perspective is having served there, it is only one perspective among many that need to be weighed.

I do agree on the point that Rudder's work with the infantry division was bigger than Normandy, because he took a lot of raw and (compared to rangers) poorly-trained troops and plugged a crucial gap.

I wrote a review on the Rudder book for the Southwestern Historical Quarterly. It has not yet appeared. I think it's slated to run in the Spring or Summer issue this year. I'll send along info when it does.
stbabs
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Let it go. General Rudder was a great man and a hero for sure. I admired him immensely. However, the CMOH shouldn't be cheapened by politicos this long after the action.
Although the medal has been awarded several times based on WHO the recipient was, rather than what he did (MacArthur), still doesn't make it right.
Too many brave men have died performing the action for which the medal was awarded. Not saying you should have to die to rate it, but being the commander of a unit which performs heroically is, alone, not sufficient cause for awarding the medal.
I suspect if General Rudder got a vote on this, he'd vote no.
BeBopAg
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If General Rudder were to be awarded the CMOH this late in the game Bop would regard it on the same level as WWII politically appointed USNR Lieutenant Commander Lyndon Johnson's undeserved Silver Star.
aalan94
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I wouldn't go that far, BeBop. LBJ's silver star is unprecedented in crass political B.S. One of the bigger stains on our national military honor, IMO.

Teddy Roosevelt's MoH, which is a better comparision, since it was given late, was earned, for sure, and politics denied it the first time, much like those of African-Americans. Of course Teddy was petty in basically campaigning for it, so delaying it 100 years was probably just.
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