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Predmid
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I pose this question to the smart men & women of the west texas board.

What are your thoughts on this 50-whatever story monster being built downtown?
earlerwin
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All I know is that it is a real possibility. Not an O&G guy, but if anybody can do it, Midland can. Any space including office space is hard to find and expensive. It will change the skyline that's for sure. My guess is its gonna happen. I don't like heights, so I'll hang out in the mall area and movie house.
andrabeth
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I heard about this on the news last night...did it pass through city council?

It will def be a change...I just hope that their plans can be sustained in the long haul...past the boom. I see "vacant" looking buildings downtown. I wish we could fix up what we have first before they start building more. Parking seems to be a big need in the area.
DadsanAG
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Makes more sense to build new than to refurbish the old, asbestos-ridden buildings that are currently in place.

Midland is growing up(provided the boom sticks), whether it wants to or not. A 59-story building dwarfing all of downtown is not necessarily what I would have wagered as the next big development in town.

GarlandAg2012
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I hadn't heard about this...seems kind of odd. I thought a lot of companies are building new offices in the claydesta area. I know we are which will cause us to abandon our downtown office I believe.
Ag98inTexas
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There's still so much room to build "out", I don't see them building "up". Midland is not an urban area yet - there is still a lot of wide open area. I don't think this area is ready for something like that.

But it would be pretty cool if it does happen.
Predmid
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quote:
There's still so much room to build "out", I don't see them building "up".


From what I've been reading and learning from various sources is there really isn't much room for building out as a lot of people think.

A lot of the land that isn't "built out" but could be developed easily (existing water/sewer service nearby) is under contract for future oil wells. (specifically some of the land north of bluebird park, some of the land west of the city along 191, and all the area between 191, the airport and business 20.) It's very hard to anything around oil wells. Property values plummet and developers couldn't turn a profit with as high as construction pries are right now.

Outside of those pieces, there are a few sparse pieces of land here and there that could be developed and they will be; very soon I'd wager. You can see it now. The apartments next to buffalo wild wings, the subdivisions south of Andrews Highway inside the loop, and some of the area around Highway 80. That's all being built out quickly.

When you get outside of the city limits, you run into the problem of water service. The groundwater around Midland is of poor quality that is unfit for consumption as a public water supply source. You have to treat it for a number of things and you may even have to do full surface treatment as the TCEQ is calling that formation a Groundwater under the influence of Surface water (aka a GUI) depending on where you are.

The City is and I don't want to say hesitant/reluctant but... delaying extending service to areas that have a high potential for abandonment if a bust happens. That's a lot of money spent on infrastructure that will ultimately be a waste. On top of that the city would be required to flush those lines a lot to maintain a good chlorine residual if they're building a large dead end line to a few developments.

Compounding all of that is the CRMWD. We will soon have the same severe water restrictions we had last summer when the heat hits and the lakes drop to dangerous levels again. The pipeline will help supplement our water supply but it cannot be a sole source.

As we are all too aware of, there is an 8,000 unit housing shortage give or take depending on who is doing the estimating. It is clear we are in desperate need space. Residential, commercial, offices, the lot. My opinion is that the tower is a bit overkill, but necessary.

As far as the 'abandoned' downtown buildings...many have asbestos problems, if I recall correctly. Any time you renovate certain aspects of a building like that, you trigger certain laws and the developer is required to do a complete renovation and bring it up to full code compliance. At that point you're basically tearing down everything but the inner structure and starting over. It's often cheaper to just build something new.

The next two years are pivotal to defining how Midland is going to survive the current boom.
GarlandAg2012
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It is my somewhat educated opinion that this boom is just getting started. They should start building out now.
andrabeth
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Good replies. I had very interesting conversations tonight with long time local women in my ZTA alum group. Time will tell many interesting things in store.

The best part of the evening was the older ZTA's (60 years and older) saying that it will look like Downtown is flipping off the world. I have heard this from others but to hear 3 ladies talking about it

[This message has been edited by andrabeth (edited 3/21/2013 9:33p).]
Houston Summit
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Growing up in Midland, I would always take pride (for some reason) in our skyline w/ tall buildings relative to our population. So I think it would be pretty cool to see a legit tower be built. It would change the skyline for sure, but it will add even more meaning to the term "Tall City"
DadsanAG
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Garland, I assume you must be with PXD?

Speaking of building out, I wish Midland could get a better handle on who can build what and where. Heres to hoping for the best!
aggie028
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"It is my somewhat educated opinion that this boom is just getting started. They should start building out now."

Just an FYI, they planned something similar but bigger back in the 80s - it was going to be one of the biggest buildings in the country at the time. I knew a guy who had a model of it. Fortunately for the guys funding it, everything busted before they were able to break ground.

It is awfully worrisome to me that companies are looking for JVs more and more in West Texas. Also strange that some of the major players quickly dropped rigs and chatter started when oil hit low 80s last year. I think the temporary price drop was a wake up call for some and is the reason for more JV considerations.

I don't see anyone with prime Eagle Ford or Bakken acreage looking to JV.
GarlandAg2012
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Not sure if the holdings are considered "prime" but PXD has a JV in the eagleford.

[This message has been edited by Garlandag2012 (edited 3/25/2013 9:40p).]
GarlandAg2012
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[This message has been edited by Garlandag2012 (edited 3/25/2013 9:41p).]
aggie028
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According to this link:
http://eaglefordshale.com/companies/pioneer-natural-resources/

Pxd has mostly dry gas and some condensate window. So it makes sense to me that they would JV. It also makes sense they would JV crumby PB acreage and that others in PB will as well - smart companies in my opinion if the rock is indeed crumby. If it isn't, you keep the whole pie of course....unless you are in the flipping business.
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Predmid
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despite the fact that the county coffers are overflowing, as I understand it, they refuse to spend money on infrastructure within the city limits or on school projects.

WAKE UP COUNTY OFFICIALS.


People who live within the city limits are also living within the county limits. Please do SOMETHING to help out and not be such jerkfaces.
andrabeth
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I am a teacher but I don't teach at MISD. I teach at a small charter school (public). I have many frustrations at how money is and isn't spent in education. From state and federal levels they expect so much out of the students and teachers but with limited resources. This surplus of funds could be used and is needed in MISD. This would be a great chat to have at Hemingway or Cigar Frogs.
atmtws
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quote:
There's still so much room to build "out", I don't see them building "up". Midland is not an urban area yet - there is still a lot of wide open area. I don't think this area is ready for something like that.

But it would be pretty cool if it does happen.


And this is precisely why 90% of home developments are 2000 sq ft homes on 2500 sq ft lots.
Predmid
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interspaced between pumpjacks and oil fields.
DadsanAG
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Need a 14/14 kind of gig so I can build/buy elsewhere. South Lubbock is looking nicer every day.
atmtws
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Are you looking for work DadAg?
DadsanAG
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Exploring options would be the best way to put it. Currently work for Baker.
atmtws
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I have some options you may consider. Email me, atmtws at gmail
DadsanAG
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E-Mail sent.

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