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Ballot Measure Prob B -- Yay or Nay??

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Marvin_Zindler
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https://www.fairforhouston.com/

What is it?

Why should I vote to give current COH and Harris County elected officials more power?

Please discuss.....
sts7049
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sounds suspicious.

if i read it right, if these regional orgs don't implement a "proportional" vote then COH has to withdraw. what incentive does that give any org to change anything? the city has to walk away and nothing changes, except they then lose the 2% they are whining about not being enough?
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I'm confused, how can Harris County voters decide to have more representation on a council that's equal representation for 13 counties? That would be like California voting on whether they should have more than two senators
FarmerJohn
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They can't. This is to force the city to take their ball and go home. Since the population is greater than 50%, these regional groups either give Houston / Harris county complete control or Houston / Harris county leave. I can't imagine other counties going for this. Basically, local politicians don't feel like they are getting their cut and think they can better lobby for funds from the state and the Feds as just Houston rather than a regional partnership. I'm dubious. If they really were good at this, they wouldn't have had trouble in the existing framework.
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Marvin_Zindler said:

https://www.fairforhouston.com/

What is it?

Why should I vote to give current COH and Harris County elected officials more power?

Please discuss.....
That list of endorsements tells me all I need to know.
TJaggie14
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P.H. Dexippus said:

Marvin_Zindler said:

https://www.fairforhouston.com/

What is it?

Why should I vote to give current COH and Harris County elected officials more power?

Please discuss.....
That list of endorsements tells me all I need to know.


Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee (TX-18, Candidate - Mayor) endorsees it. So that's a no for me dawg
bularry
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FarmerJohn said:

They can't. This is to force the city to take their ball and go home. Since the population is greater than 50%, these regional groups either give Houston / Harris county complete control or Houston / Harris county leave. I can't imagine other counties going for this. Basically, local politicians don't feel like they are getting their cut and think they can better lobby for funds from the state and the Feds as just Houston rather than a regional partnership. I'm dubious. If they really were good at this, they wouldn't have had trouble in the existing framework.
local politicians aren't getting a cut, but their constituents are. so when funds are allocated by federal level to this group Houston gets screwed. those smaller communities can control a disproportional amount of funding despite the fact the population of Houston is driving most of the $$$. so you think giving the funds to other governments is better than ours?

so yeah, it makes sense for Houston to do it on its own.
bularry
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TJaggie14 said:

P.H. Dexippus said:

Marvin_Zindler said:

https://www.fairforhouston.com/

What is it?

Why should I vote to give current COH and Harris County elected officials more power?

Please discuss.....
That list of endorsements tells me all I need to know.


Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee (TX-18, Candidate - Mayor) endorsees it. So that's a no for me dawg
every mayoral candidate endorses it
Marvin_Zindler
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P.H. Dexippus said:

Marvin_Zindler said:

https://www.fairforhouston.com/

What is it?

Why should I vote to give current COH and Harris County elected officials more power?

Please discuss.....
That list of endorsements tells me all I need to know.
Ouch....didn't scroll that far down.
Anastasia Beaverhaven
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bularry said:

TJaggie14 said:

P.H. Dexippus said:

Marvin_Zindler said:

https://www.fairforhouston.com/

What is it?

Why should I vote to give current COH and Harris County elected officials more power?

Please discuss.....
That list of endorsements tells me all I need to know.


Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee (TX-18, Candidate - Mayor) endorsees it. So that's a no for me dawg
every mayoral candidate endorses it
Just another reason to vote No.
YellAg2004
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So if this passes (I assume it will because of all the push to support the measure), does HGAC cease to exist? Or it will continue to exist, just without the participation of the City of Houston, so they would presumably get less $$ allocated due to representing a smaller population?
FarmerJohn
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Quote:

so yeah, it makes sense for Houston to do it on its own.

The Houston airport concession contract should be enough evidence that if these funds are allocated by a agency controlled by Houston politicians, they will absolutely be getting a cut. More than they are now. Also, get ready for more projects like planting crime fighting trees.

But outside of grift and reckless spending, the assumption that this is a good plan is only valid if the total money coming to the region remains the same and is itself allocated by population. As it is now, advocating for the Houston region is bipartisan and can be addressed on the regional basis. If Houston withdraws, I see less support from Troy Nehls, Randy Weber, Brian Babin, and Morgan Luttrell. Never mind what's coming out of Austin. I see the outcome as Houston getting the majority of a much smaller pie.
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From LWV:

EXPLANATION: This proposition will allow the City of Houston to remain in any Council of Governments or Metropolitan Planning Organization only if votes on the agency's Governing Board are apportioned among the members based on the population of each jurisdiction. The City of Houston would be required to withdraw from any agency that does not afford population-proportional representation. Presently, there are no instructions or requirements in place that regulate City of Houston membership in Councils of Governments or Metropolitan Planning Organizations. This measure was sparked by the terms of Houston's membership in the Houston Galveston Area Council, a policymaking agency that distributes state and federal funds. The Houston Galveston Area Council is governed by a 37-person board that currently includes two Houston representatives. Proponents of the measure believe that population-proportional voting is democratic and ensures responsive governance. Opponents believe that strict population-proportional voting would erode the beneficial concept of regional, broad-based planning and governance. All City of Houston voters may vote on this ballot issue.

VOTE "YES": if you are in favor of instructing the City of Houston to participate only in those Government Councils or Regional Planning Organizations that are managed by population-proportional governance.

VOTE "NO": if you are in favor of keeping the present system of allowing the City of Houston to participate in Government Councils or Regional Planning Organizations, no matter the terms of the organization's governance.
FarmerJohn
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From reading that, it would seem that Houston can join or leave any organization at any time. So why can't they just vote to leave the groups they don't like right now?
Cinco Ranch Aggie
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Democrats love themselves some positive words like "fair". Only problem, they use words like that to mask their true intentions.
Ryan the Temp
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agchugger said:

From LWV:

EXPLANATION: This proposition will allow the City of Houston to remain in any Council of Governments or Metropolitan Planning Organization only if votes on the agency's Governing Board are apportioned among the members based on the population of each jurisdiction. The City of Houston would be required to withdraw from any agency that does not afford population-proportional representation. Presently, there are no instructions or requirements in place that regulate City of Houston membership in Councils of Governments or Metropolitan Planning Organizations. This measure was sparked by the terms of Houston's membership in the Houston Galveston Area Council, a policymaking agency that distributes state and federal funds. The Houston Galveston Area Council is governed by a 37-person board that currently includes two Houston representatives. Proponents of the measure believe that population-proportional voting is democratic and ensures responsive governance. Opponents believe that strict population-proportional voting would erode the beneficial concept of regional, broad-based planning and governance. All City of Houston voters may vote on this ballot issue.

VOTE "YES": if you are in favor of instructing the City of Houston to participate only in those Government Councils or Regional Planning Organizations that are managed by population-proportional governance.

VOTE "NO": if you are in favor of keeping the present system of allowing the City of Houston to participate in Government Councils or Regional Planning Organizations, no matter the terms of the organization's governance.
I think this begs the question of whether it would require COH to withdraw from a variety of organizations like the National League of Cities, US Conference of Mayors, Texas Municipal League, etc. Does it necessarily go farther into the weeds to orgs like the American Water Works Association or Texas Library Association?
YellAg2004
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Ryan the Temp said:

agchugger said:

From LWV:

EXPLANATION: This proposition will allow the City of Houston to remain in any Council of Governments or Metropolitan Planning Organization only if votes on the agency's Governing Board are apportioned among the members based on the population of each jurisdiction. The City of Houston would be required to withdraw from any agency that does not afford population-proportional representation. Presently, there are no instructions or requirements in place that regulate City of Houston membership in Councils of Governments or Metropolitan Planning Organizations. This measure was sparked by the terms of Houston's membership in the Houston Galveston Area Council, a policymaking agency that distributes state and federal funds. The Houston Galveston Area Council is governed by a 37-person board that currently includes two Houston representatives. Proponents of the measure believe that population-proportional voting is democratic and ensures responsive governance. Opponents believe that strict population-proportional voting would erode the beneficial concept of regional, broad-based planning and governance. All City of Houston voters may vote on this ballot issue.

VOTE "YES": if you are in favor of instructing the City of Houston to participate only in those Government Councils or Regional Planning Organizations that are managed by population-proportional governance.

VOTE "NO": if you are in favor of keeping the present system of allowing the City of Houston to participate in Government Councils or Regional Planning Organizations, no matter the terms of the organization's governance.
I think this begs the question of whether it would require COH to withdraw from a variety of organizations like the National League of Cities, US Conference of Mayors, Texas Municipal League, etc. Does it necessarily go farther into the weeds to orgs like the American Water Works Association or Texas Library Association?
I'm sure the proponents of this proposition have thought through all the potential side effects like you've listed and didn't only think of the $$$ associated with HGAC.
Marvin_Zindler
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Ya. Ok. Hard NO on Prop B.
Marvin_Zindler
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What an incredible group of misfit toys.
agnerd
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If you are a democrat and like how democrats spend money (replacing road lanes with bike lanes, guaranteed income, medicaid/medicare expansion, electric vehicles, benefits for illegals and lolpoors, etc.), vote FOR this.

If you are a republican and like how republicans spend money (police, road expansions, criminal prosecutions) vote against it.
Ryan the Temp
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I'm voting against it.
bularry
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Marvin_Zindler said:

Ya. Ok. Hard NO on Prop B.

you'll be happy to know that our current mayor is not a fan of Prop B, either, so you are lock step in line with Sylvester.
bularry
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Ryan the Temp said:

I'm voting against it.
yeah, me too,
Santas Little Helper
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What about the Harris County Hospital District Prop A? I am typically against bonds, but all of the voting recommendations I review and typically agree with say vote for it.

I still cant decide on mayor; I think it will come down to a run-off between Whitmire and SJL, but I like some of the comments Kaplan has made, especially since he thinks the gun buy backs are a joke.

I have my sample ballot pretty well finalized, mostly the lesser of evils, just mayor and Prop A still TBD.
BonfireNerd04
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I only learned about this proposition in a recent CityNerd video.

Basically, the complaint is that the Houston-Galveston Area Council overrepresents the suburbs, and thus makes decisions that benefit suburban commuters at the expense of actual City residents. Like demolishing apartments to make room for yet another freeway expansion.

It's a valid complaint, but that being said, I technically don't live in Houston.
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