Looking for spots to go that isn't just an empty parking lot to teach some driving skills without getting anyone killed.

Somewhere in NoDal is preferred.

Richland College or Brookhaven? They're closed, I think, and have huge parking lots and have small streets that surround them that go from big parking lot to big parking lot.

The former mall at Valley View would be the other location you could try, but I am not sure what those parking lots look like at the moment. Good luck!

4201-4299 Loveland Dr
Irving, TX 75062
32.853670, -97.009894

I just pulled those coordinates from Google Maps. That's where I learned to drive about 16 years ago. Old neighborhood that I believe was torn down when DFW put in one of the newer runways due to flight path and noise.

Haven't been over there in a while because, well, it's Irving. But I think it's still accessible.

I should be studying 11 said:

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4201-4299 Loveland Dr
Irving, TX 75062
32.853670, -97.009894

I just pulled those coordinates from Google Maps. That's where I learned to drive about 16 years ago. Old neighborhood that I believe was torn down when DFW put in one of the newer runways due to flight path and noise.

Haven't been over there in a while because, well, it's Irving. But I think it's still accessible.

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That's crazy, there are a ton of other apartments and crap right around it. What made that exact spot special?

culdeus said:

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I should be studying 11 said:

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4201-4299 Loveland Dr
Irving, TX 75062
32.853670, -97.009894

I just pulled those coordinates from Google Maps. That's where I learned to drive about 16 years ago. Old neighborhood that I believe was torn down when DFW put in one of the newer runways due to flight path and noise.

Haven't been over there in a while because, well, it's Irving. But I think it's still accessible.

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That's crazy, there are a ton of other apartments and crap right around it. What made that exact spot special?

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It is interesting. I would imagine either imminent domain for future runway extension or some sort of settlement due to noise complaints whereby they acquired land and tore houses down for liability reasons.

Apartments, church, industrial and a few houses appear to have held out of any settlement / imminent domain issues.

Find a mall parking lot. That's where I learned and lord knows they aren't very crowded these days.

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The community college suggestion is a really good one. That's where I taught my kids.

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culdeus said:

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I should be studying 11 said:

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4201-4299 Loveland Dr
Irving, TX 75062
32.853670, -97.009894

I just pulled those coordinates from Google Maps. That's where I learned to drive about 16 years ago. Old neighborhood that I believe was torn down when DFW put in one of the newer runways due to flight path and noise.

Haven't been over there in a while because, well, it's Irving. But I think it's still accessible.

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That's crazy, there are a ton of other apartments and crap right around it. What made that exact spot special?

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It is interesting. I would imagine either imminent domain for future runway extension or some sort of settlement due to noise complaints whereby they acquired land and tore houses down for liability reasons.

Apartments, church, industrial and a few houses appear to have held out of any settlement / imminent domain issues.

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Fun off-topic fact: I think that's the same neighborhood they blew up for Walker Texas Ranger back in the mid-1990s. Since they were tearing the houses down anyway as being part of the mitigation area, they decided to make it interesting.

Watch Chuck Norris blow up a neighborhood (video at the bottom)

Thoughts & prayers for you. I taught 3 of my kids to drive. Still can't believe I just didn't spring for driving school.

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Thoughts & prayers for you. I taught 3 of my kids to drive. Still can't believe I just didn't spring for driving school.

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My first day of driving school we got on 635 during rush hour. I think my instructor had a death wish

I should be studying 11 said:

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4201-4299 Loveland Dr
Irving, TX 75062
32.853670, -97.009894

I just pulled those coordinates from Google Maps. That's where I learned to drive about 16 years ago. Old neighborhood that I believe was torn down when DFW put in one of the newer runways due to flight path and noise.

Haven't been over there in a while because, well, it's Irving. But I think it's still accessible.

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I found this abandoned area interesting and did some digging. From a 1993 DMN article:

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The Dallas Morning News - Friday, June 11, 1993

Author: From Staff and Wire Reports

Crews start demolition for airport expansion

IRVING -- Dallas-Fort Worth International Airport officials on Thursday began demolishing the first of more than 100 houses that will be cleared to make way for a runway on the airport's east side. Workers began tearing down a house in the 4200 block of North Greenview Drive, which the airport purchased this spring as part of its hardship buyout plan. Planning and Engineering Director Jeff Fegan said the house was not salvageable and needed to be torn down for safety reasons. The Greenview Hills neighborhood is one of three that will be razed to make a clear zone for the planned runway. Mr. Fegan said officials expect to begin work on the runway within months. Officials in Grapevine, Euless and Irving have vowed to stop airport expansion in court.

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Google Earth has an archived photo showing the eastern most 35R runway under construction in 1995. Also shows some of the properties still existing in that neighborhood in 1995, but others either already razed, or never developed before then.

All of those apartments looked to be there in 1995 when the runway was being built, just didn't tear them down.

1995 Photo


Dallas CAD shows all of those properties belonging to:

DALLAS & FT WORTH CITIES
% MICHAEL PYLES
PO BOX 619428
DALLAS, TEXAS 752619428

Mr. Pyles & the PO Box look to be associated with DFW Airport.

$0 taxes owed on all of the properties.

2019 Photo


The new development just south of the razed lots, in the bottom of the 2019 photo, began construction in 2008.

I'm surprised the airport has not attempted to redevelop the property someway. I suppose they probably can't get away with zoning it industrially with the adjacent apartments. But you'd think that they could at least build more apartments, if Irving P&Z allowed for it.

I vaguely remember this - cities of Irving and Grapevine were suing to prevent building that runway. DFW Airport had to buy the entire neighborhoods and raze them.

There's the two you showed in that image - there was another somewhere as well.

Kind of surprising they keep allowing apartments in that flight path though - bet those are noisy as hell.

I grew up in Irving about 5 minutes from there. My best friend had to move due to their home being bought out from under them.

It was due to the new runway and noice concerns, but I always thought it was strange that the apartments even closer to Esters and Northgate remained. And now they've built a new neighborhood just south of that old neighborhood with very large, expensive homes.

My dad still lives in the same house from '79 right around the corner from there. They were told when the house was built that DFW had agreed not to expand over that part of the city, but then plans changed in the early 90s due to expansion.