Bob Yancy: Opportunity for College Station: Disc Golf

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91_Aggie
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Not sure if you are keeping with the drama of the City of Bryan attempting to close the less than 6 month old Championship Level Disc Golf course at Park Hudson, but here are some links to news stories.
https://www.kbtx.com/2024/02/11/hudson-park-disc-golf-course-close/
https://theeagle.com/news/local/government-politics/city-of-bryan-plans-to-remove-disc-golf-from-park-hudson/article_bcddade2-c795-11ee-8262-93fbfd9a0f54.html#tracking-source=mp-homepage

Bryan is on the verge of cutting off their nose to spite their face (to appease a very small number of homeowners).

If they end up closing the Park, they keep saying they will look for other locations.

Well the disc golf community will be looking to find a better partner if it closes.

So this is where College Station can jump in and be a Hero to All.

When the city sent out surveys about what to do with the New Park land where the soil test wasn't done properly, I (before I knew anything about Park Hudson) responded with "Build a Disc Golf Course".

I can get you in touch with the men who worked with City of Bryan to design and plan the Park Hudson. They would be more than happy to have a willing city partner that is actually excited to bring tax dollars to their city.

I don't have stars on this site so you can't PM me. but if you are interested I'm sure I can reach out to you with your public emails.

and just in case it is brought up by the "what about" people, the other courses in town are not great courses as disc golf courses are compared.

Southern Oaks, Wolf Pen and Harvey Oaks courses are what are considered Pitch and Putt courses and they are only 9 hole courses. Fun to play with the family but the serious disc golfers will rarely play them.

Research is pretty good course, but is not nice for beginners with all the water holes. Discs don't float (unless you buy ones specifically for that, but those don't fly right as normal discs).

There is Creeks Crossing, but that is privately owned. Nice course but again not championship level.

Park Hudson right now is the best and biggest course in about 90-100 mile radius. If that goes away, then College Station can step in and partner with the Disc Golf Prime Movers in town and create a great course that will host big tournaments that bring people from all over the state and even other states.

While this is change.org petition and not binding in any way, you can see the local and out of town support for the Park Hudson course to remain open
https://www.change.org/p/halt-the-removal-of-park-hudson-s-disc-golf-course-in-bryan-texas?recruiter=671221409&recruited_by_id=f09d7fc0-e4eb-11e6-a14a-57dcffcf2c6a&utm_source=share_petition&utm_campaign=share_for_starters_page&utm_medium=copylink
AggieCVQ
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Nice.
Tibbers
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Nicely done! Come on Bob. Do something good for this city.
Sweet Kitten Feet
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What would the course fees be to play this course?
Bob Yancy
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91_Aggie said:

Not sure if you are keeping with the drama of the City of Bryan attempting to close the less than 6 month old Championship Level Disc Golf course at Park Hudson, but here are some links to news stories.
https://www.kbtx.com/2024/02/11/hudson-park-disc-golf-course-close/
https://theeagle.com/news/local/government-politics/city-of-bryan-plans-to-remove-disc-golf-from-park-hudson/article_bcddade2-c795-11ee-8262-93fbfd9a0f54.html#tracking-source=mp-homepage

Bryan is on the verge of cutting off their nose to spite their face (to appease a very small number of homeowners).

If they end up closing the Park, they keep saying they will look for other locations.

Well the disc golf community will be looking to find a better partner if it closes.

So this is where College Station can jump in and be a Hero to All.

When the city sent out surveys about what to do with the New Park land where the soil test wasn't done properly, I (before I knew anything about Park Hudson) responded with "Build a Disc Golf Course".

I can get you in touch with the men who worked with City of Bryan to design and plan the Park Hudson. They would be more than happy to have a willing city partner that is actually excited to bring tax dollars to their city.

I don't have stars on this site so you can't PM me. but if you are interested I'm sure I can reach out to you with your public emails.

and just in case it is brought up by the "what about" people, the other courses in town are not great courses as disc golf courses are compared.

Southern Oaks, Wolf Pen and Harvey Oaks courses are what are considered Pitch and Putt courses and they are only 9 hole courses. Fun to play with the family but the serious disc golfers will rarely play them.

Research is pretty good course, but is not nice for beginners with all the water holes. Discs don't float (unless you buy ones specifically for that, but those don't fly right as normal discs).

There is Creeks Crossing, but that is privately owned. Nice course but again not championship level.

Park Hudson right now is the best and biggest course in about 90-100 mile radius. If that goes away, then College Station can step in and partner with the Disc Golf Prime Movers in town and create a great course that will host big tournaments that bring people from all over the state and even other states.

While this is change.org petition and not binding in any way, you can see the local and out of town support for the Park Hudson course to remain open
https://www.change.org/p/halt-the-removal-of-park-hudson-s-disc-golf-course-in-bryan-texas?recruiter=671221409&recruited_by_id=f09d7fc0-e4eb-11e6-a14a-57dcffcf2c6a&utm_source=share_petition&utm_campaign=share_for_starters_page&utm_medium=copylink



Thanks for the note. I don't begrudge my friends and neighbors to the north for their decision. I'm not privy to the citizens' exact concerns. As to your suggestion, it's funny- before I saw your note I added disk golf to my list of suggestions for our Strategic Planning session (today all day and tomorrow half a day.) We discussed it and it was received favorably.

My research indicates disk (disc?) golf is a rapidly growing sport, especially in our area. It seems like a great way to have fun in the sun. In College Station we have over 50 parks, and many of these are passive, neighborhood parks. I believe the addition of relatively inexpensive disk golf equipment is a great way to add value and enhance attendance to many of these parks for very little tax dollars.

I feel the same about small fenced areas to add off leash dog parks here and there for simply the cost of a fence.

Were I a betting man, I'd wager you'll see us add some of these amenities.

Respectfully,

-yancy
My opinions are mine and should not be construed as those of city council or staff. I welcome robust debate but will cease communication on any thread in which colleagues or staff are personally criticized. I must refrain from comment on posted agenda items until after meetings are concluded. Bob Yancy 95
Bob Yancy
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Tibbers said:

Nicely done! Come on Bob. Do something good for this city.


Recommendation already made…this morning.

Respectfully,

-yancy
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Sweet Kitten Feet said:

What would the course fees be to play this course?


My expectation for a pick up round among friends, zero. For a large tournament tying up the course all day or all weekend- fair and minimal.

Respectfully,

-yancy
91_Aggie
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Thanks for your reply. We have a Brazos Valley disc golf club that can provide you and city council a great primer on disc golf as well as explain what makes a great course.

A partnership with the city to help design any courses will both save the city money as well as ensure the course(s) will be championship caliber to bring in players from all over the state and country.

Bob Yancy
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91_Aggie said:

Thanks for your reply. We have a Brazos Valley disc golf club that can provide you and city council a great primer on disc golf as well as explain what makes a great course.

A partnership with the city to help design any courses will both save the city money as well as ensure the course(s) will be championship caliber to bring in players from all over the state and country.




As long as you don't expect Augusta National I'm sure your group's input would be warmly welcomed. I recommend reaching out to staff first. You'll find them receptive and informative. If you want to stay in touch with me, send email to Byancy@cstx.gov and you can always address the entire council during Hear Visitors at any council meeting.

Send me an email. I respond to every one, and my cell phone is in the signature block.

Respectfully yours-

-yancy
My opinions are mine and should not be construed as those of city council or staff. I welcome robust debate but will cease communication on any thread in which colleagues or staff are personally criticized. I must refrain from comment on posted agenda items until after meetings are concluded. Bob Yancy 95
91_Aggie
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Bob Yancy said:

Sweet Kitten Feet said:

What would the course fees be to play this course?


My expectation for a pick up round among friends, zero. For a large tournament tying up the course all day or all weekend- fair and minimal.

Respectfully,

-yancy


Yes, one the great things about disc golf is that 99% of the courses are free to play.

When there are tournaments, there are entry fees much like at a regular golf tournament or a 5K/10K/marathon that pay for a player pack, live scoring, coordinating it all, etc.

But currently in town are 3 city courses, and a&m's research park. With free parking at research (about the only free parking at A&M

Anyone can go play these courses for free.

91_Aggie
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And if Bryan decides to close park hudson, college station can probably get a bargain on some slightly used baskets.
cajunken
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Bob Yancy said:




My research indicates disk (disc?) golf is a rapidly growing sport, especially in our area. It seems like a great way to have fun in the sun. In College Station we have over 50 parks, and many of these are passive, neighborhood parks. I believe the addition of relatively inexpensive disk golf equipment is a great way to add value and enhance attendance to many of these parks for very little tax dollars.
I'm over 60 years old, and I just began playing disc golf last month. It is great exercise and uses different muscles than golf or pickleball. I can see where the sport will grow rapidly, perhaps similar to pickleball.
highpriorityag
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If this raises my taxes at all I am 100% against
91_Aggie
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Mumbo Jimbo said:

If this raises my taxes at all I am 100% against
I'll let Bob talk about how taxes pay for it, but there are constantly ongoing projects by the parks department where a tax rate is not increased.

This is a very low-cost sport and creation of the course do not cost that much.
If you have paid attention, you can see that only about $50,000 was needed for the Park Hudson course.

The Park Hudson course is one of the best courses in a 90 mile radius so it brings in people and their tax dollars from outside our area.

And when there are tournaments (a major one was scheduled on March 2nd which will probably have to move to Research Park unless the city acts fat) hundreds of people (disc golfers and their families) will make trip out of it and some will spend the night before if they have to travel further away.

double b
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By no means am I excusing the behavior of those patrons, and there should be strict guidelines in place that discourage such behavior, including criminal misdemeanor charges if necessary.

However, a lot of energy, time, and money was spent on this project. To have eliminated it within six months demonstrates poor foresight and a mismanagement of funds. Some will say that this project ONLY cost the City of Bryan, aka taxpayers, about $50,000. More diligence must be exercised when spending taxpayers' hard-earned money, and these funds must be treated as their own personal household funds.

My original point is that a cheaper solution should have been sought after. This isn't the first time issues like this have occurred on a disc golf course. Certainly, some existing ideas could have been consulted, and the issues of both parties could have been resolved. This case speaks more to that the neighbors never wanted this course near them in the first place and if so, speaks to the poor planning and management of those leading this project.
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double b said:

By no means am I excusing the behavior of those patrons, and there should be strict guidelines in place that discourage such behavior, including criminal misdemeanor charges if necessary.

However, a lot of energy, time, and money was spent on this project. To have eliminated it within six months demonstrates poor foresight and a mismanagement of funds. Some will say that this project ONLY cost the City of Bryan, aka taxpayers, about $50,000. More diligence must be exercised when spending taxpayers' hard-earned money, and these funds must be treated as their own personal household funds.

My original point is that a cheaper solution should have been sought after. This isn't the first time issues like this have occurred on a disc golf course. Certainly, some existing ideas could have been consulted, and the issues of both parties could have been resolved. This case speaks more to that the neighbors never wanted this course near them and if so, speaks to the poor planning and management of those leading this project.

I would counter that the greater needs off the public need to be put ahead of property owners who bought land they knew abutted public parks.
The issues of the discs landing in their yard, on their roofs, and hitting their house or dangerous throws that cross sidewalks can be solved easily.

We are hoping that those are the actual reasons for the complaints.

A KAGS report last night said the City manager would be walking the course the designers on Thursday to review the possible issues and to discuss possible solutions.

Once the possibility of the discs impacting houses has been removed, then the homeowners complaining should be appeased.






halibut sinclair
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Isn't there a disc golf course at Austin's Colony Park?
91_Aggie
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halibut sinclair said:

Isn't there a disc golf course at Austin's Colony Park?
it's a small 9 hole course (in Bryan)... one of the "pitch and putt" courses.

Here's all the courses in B/CS

1. Research Park 18 hole. has RED and BLUE teepads (RED are shorter). several water and "island" holes. Nice Course but not very technical

2. Park Hudson 18 hole Behemoth (or Gauntlet). Great mix of Technical and wide open holes

3. Creeks Crossing/Rivergate - Privately owned course by a church. 18 holes and a really nice course to play in the summer as most of it is shaded by Tree. only open for public Mon, Tues, Thur and Saturday.

4. Southern Oaks park - public 9 hole "pitch and putt" course. Good for training hitting your lines with some very tight 'tunnels' to hit

5. Wolf Pen Creek - Public 9 hole pitch and putt course. it's nice but if park area is busy on the same corner as the old David P Romei Arts center you'll have to skip some holes

6. Harvey Oaks Park - Public 9 hole "pitch and putt" course... very short course and again, if park is being used by others, you'll have to skip some holes to avoid dangerous shots that could hit people

7. First Baptist course - private 9 hole course... good mix of technical shots in woods and some wide open holes.

8. Austin's Colony 9 hole course.... pitch and putt. has some nice holes... if park filled with non golf players, there are few holes that might have to be skipped


9. Bob Cherry Park - 9 hole course really tiny course near Bonham elementary... i've never played but the course is not laid out well (due to small size)... lots of criss crossing holes. the last review of it on UDISC says "if I could give it zero stars I would"

10. Bonham Park. another 9 hole pitch and putt that usually can't be played due to park patrons and where they put the fairways and baskets. I haven't played it but heard it is not worth going out there.


and there was a 6 hole course in Tiffany park that was transformed and included with Park Hudson course. the 6 holes were reduced to 4 and made safer for park patrons. Hole 10 for Park Hudson is the exact same as it was from Tiffany Park (which was hole #1 for Tiffany park). there was nary a complaint about that hole in all the time the Tiffany Park course was there.

There's 9 hole course in Navasota, but it's a wide open course and out in the open (it's a beating to play in Summer)

Caldwell has a 9 hole course but there are plans to make it into a really good 18 hole course.

Brenham has 2 courses as well including a new 18 hole course... I haven't been out there yet.

if interested in disc golf, download the UDISC app. most features you'd need to use as a beginner are in the free version.


double b
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91_Aggie said:

double b said:

By no means am I excusing the behavior of those patrons, and there should be strict guidelines in place that discourage such behavior, including criminal misdemeanor charges if necessary.

However, a lot of energy, time, and money was spent on this project. To have eliminated it within six months demonstrates poor foresight and a mismanagement of funds. Some will say that this project ONLY cost the City of Bryan, aka taxpayers, about $50,000. More diligence must be exercised when spending taxpayers' hard-earned money, and these funds must be treated as their own personal household funds.

My original point is that a cheaper solution should have been sought after. This isn't the first time issues like this have occurred on a disc golf course. Certainly, some existing ideas could have been consulted, and the issues of both parties could have been resolved. This case speaks more to that the neighbors never wanted this course near them and if so, speaks to the poor planning and management of those leading this project.

I would counter that the greater needs off the public need to be put ahead of property owners who bought land they knew abutted public parks.
The issues of the discs landing in their yard, on their roofs, and hitting their house or dangerous throws that cross sidewalks can be solved easily.

We are hoping that those are the actual reasons for the complaints.

A KAGS report last night said the City manager would be walking the course the designers on Thursday to review the possible issues and to discuss possible solutions.

Once the possibility of the discs impacting houses has been removed, then the homeowners complaining should be appeased.







I'm in agreement with you and not suggesting that public's needs are set to the side. I only mentioned how the project management's approach to the disc golf course was rather wasteful and that many of these issues could have been resolved ahead of time with proper research and vetting.
Sweet Kitten Feet
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Damn. That's a lot more disc golf courses than I thought. Are they always full? Don't get me wrong, I'm totally for public use park space as long as funds are used wisely and it's actually serving the public interests.
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Sweet Kitten Feet said:

Damn. That's a lot more disc golf courses than I thought. Are they always full? Don't get me wrong, I'm totally for public use park space as long as funds are used wisely and it's actually serving the public interests.

Aren't always full... the 9 hole courses really don't get that much play.
The local club will do a league mini at them on a rotating basis.

the 18 hole courses, Research, Creeks Crossing when open and Park Hudson are the really popular ones

But Bonham, Bob Cherry, and Wolf Pen Creek just aren't very popular courses due to their layout and only being 9 holes
91_Aggie
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The Udisc app added a step/distance tracker and a round of park hudson is usually close to 3 miles of walking.

So you get in 3 miles while having fun.
woodiewood
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Was the course previously on the A&M west campus NW area?
91_Aggie
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woodiewood said:

Was the course previously on the A&M west campus NW area?
not sure what you are asking... there is a course in Research park, but if there was one somewhere else I didn't know about it.
I'm a little frustrated I only discovered this sport a year and a half ago.
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https://theeagle.com/news/local/government-politics/college-station-talking-about-future-disc-golf-course/article_ecdb251a-cabf-11ee-928b-9bc3196fcd81.html

It is being looked at carefully, and I'm mindful not to be seen as "taking anything" from our community partners in Bryan.

Thanks for the feedback, everyone. Have a great evening.

-yancy
Sweet Kitten Feet
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It's not "taking" anything from Bryan. They're getting rid of it. Maybe we can say one town's trash is another town's treasure.
91_Aggie
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Even if Park Hudson remains open, a great disc golf In college station would still be welcomed and a boon for community and city.

Some tourneys are multi-day and I can see great excitement at playing on one course the first day and another course the 2nd since they would be so close to each other
Bucketrunner
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I know nothing about the game, but I'm still puzzled as to why one disgruntled homeowner gets to stop something a lot of people enjoy.
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Bucketrunner said:

I know nothing about the game, but I'm still puzzled as to why one disgruntled homeowner gets to stop something a lot of people enjoy.


Someone said [Someone made a vague accusation and we removed the post because it was an unsubstantiated rumor. -Staff]

Is that correct?
The Good Ag Rock 88
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Did they complete an Environmental Impact Study before they built this Disc Golf Course ?
maroon barchetta
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maroon barchetta said:

Bucketrunner said:

I know nothing about the game, but I'm still puzzled as to why one disgruntled homeowner gets to stop something a lot of people enjoy.


Someone said [Someone made a vague accusation and we removed the post because it was an unsubstantiated rumor. -Staff]

Is that correct?


Thanks for the clarification.
Tibbers
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So if it's unsubstantiated, can we ask who is backing the removal of an entire disc golf course? Seems appropriate to get their side of it too. Were the claims that folks were pissing in the bushes removed too? Seems both are unsubstantiated, right?
oldag76
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Agree. Contact the Council Reps and ask for a hearing with BOTH SIDES REQUIRED TO SHOW UP. No input from City Employees needed as there appears to be bias.
91_Aggie
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there is progress being made on getting all sides heard and it appears cooler heads are prevailing.
The disc golf community wants this too be a win-win.

The course can be changed to eliminate the possibility of discs flying into yards, roofs, and houses which are the stated complaints.

We don't want to be at odds with reasonable homeowners.

Tibbers
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Excellent news.
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