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Boat Crash today at the Shootout at Lake of the Ozarks

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Saw that this happened today at the races at Lake of the Ozarks. As he goes airborne catching the bow sponson for that split second took a lot of speed and energy out of the crash. Landing on the aft corner rather than hitting flat also helped.
Driver an throttle man going to be ok.
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Yikes.
They got very very lucky.
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Yup, seen a whole lot worse. As far those go, about as good as one could hope for, glad to hear they will both be ok.
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Boat was built by Skater boats. They and Doug Wright build boats that are extremely well built. The boat holding together was a testament to their craftsmanship.
Of course, there has been much worse crashes with bad outcomes. This one thankfully had a good ending. Thought you guys would appreciate seeing it.
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Got some info that one of them is being taken to Columbia MO for surgery on one of his legs and ankle. Other guy has a sore back. (Imagine that)
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Have had a couple of their boats, they are awesome. Looking forward to getting back in one in the next couple years. Merc Racing on the back, done with the hassle of inboards anymore.
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Hoping for a speedy recovery, it's not for everyone, but those who do for sure have a pair!
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Yes sir. I started in the sport when I was 14 in APBA in Class A stock outboards. Then moved up in classes. Eventually after college to MOD outboards in what was then called the JP production class. Mainly using Allison's and HydroStreams. Then some outboard drag bracket classes.
Only boats I could afford.
Only ODrive I ever owned was a smaller Donzi and did have a V-Drive flat bottom.
Back then it was simply a lot easier to work on outboards. All I own now.
But I still like the sound and raw power of big blocks….. especially what they build now.
Hell, a rich enough Joe now can go buy a factory built race boat and enter races like the LOZ Shootout……most can't drive them but they look cool.
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Holy moly!
Www.gowithgrem.com
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Give me a few years till done down here, I'll put one together for you to run up there. Nothing better than the sounds of big blocks loping. And yeah, with the Merc Racing program, going back to the 500hp and now up to what, 1500hp or so, it's kinda gotten crazy on what you can get on factory inboards. Back in the day those were spec built engines with little, or most likely zero warranty from a builder who you hoped would be there in a few months when it was blown to ***** Been a ton of advances in tech over the last 20 years or so, which I know you are all to familiar with.
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Those races and wrecks are wild. IIRC, there was a fatality wreck up there in a race just a couple years ago.
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Sounds great man. Would love to meet you and talk boats and other good bull.
If you are ever up this way we got plenty of room here at the place and you are certainly welcome.
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Sounds like a plan brother. Wife has me pricing out a MTI CC just to run her and girlfriends back and forth between Marathon and Miami, because the drive is too congested haha. Not enough to do down here for them, and I'm happy never leaving except to go chase fish daily lol. Houston home base, but not for much longer. We will get together once I've wrapped up the working for a paycheck here shortly. You sound like someone that just about anyone could get along with, and especially when it comes to boats and outdoors. Have a good one.
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Gunny456 said:

Got some info that one of them is being taken to Columbia MO for surgery on one of his legs and ankle. Other guy has a sore back. (Imagine that)


I can personally vouch for the outstanding health care at the hospital in Columbia. After all I was born there, 58 years ago.
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It was in 2014. Was a 42' Catamaran made by Outerlimits. It blew over just as it crossed the end of the course. The throttleman was Mike Fiore who was also the founder/CEO of Outer Limits boat company.
He survived the crash but died of complications about 3-4 days later.
I think he has been the only death in actual racing in the annual Shootout in the 37 years it's been going on.
Should be noted that nobody wins any money in this race. All proceeds go to various charities.
Anybody that loves boats should attend it at least once. It's a week of activities and fun.

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Yes sir. Would love that. Anybody that loves fast boats is automatically a good friend in my book.
I would have to sell all my toys and part of our ranch to afford a new MTI!
My boats are dinghy's compared to that.
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And it landed right side up .......
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How does one prevent the boat from lifting off like that?
Need spoilers like on a an aircraft or something.
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The throttle man is controlling the trim of the boat. He was trying to ink out every mph he could by making it lift. He just raised it a little too much. Once it gets past the point of no return and the forward part of the tunnel loads up with air you can't stop it.
They don't want to force the bow down like a dragster. They need it to lift. The art is getting the hull up onto the primary running surfaces and getting it to "settle in" and using the airflow through the tunnel to create lift. Just the right amount…..basically, flying the boat.
Just one of the characteristics of a performance cat.
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Gunny456 said:

The throttle man is controlling the trim of the boat. He was trying to ink out every mph he could by making it lift. He just raised it a little too much. Once it gets past the point of no return and the forward part of the tunnel loads up with air you can't stop it.
They don't want to force the bow down like a dragster. They need it to lift. The art is getting it to set and using the airflow through the tunnel to create lift. Just the right amount…..basically flying the boat.
Just one of the characteristics of a performance cat.

Back in the early 80's in my younger life with a different wife our neighbor across the street had a 17 foot Hydrostream boat with a 225 horse Merc and nitrous set up and power trim. At 98 MPH on a glass smooth Medina Lake one Sat morning I swear only10 inches of the rear of that boat was touching water. First and last time for me.
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His name was Jim I bet. Dark blue HydroStream Viking?
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insulator_king said:

How does one prevent the boat from lifting off like that?
Need spoilers like on a an aircraft or something.


As a pilot and a casual boater I always wonder why they don't have a front spoiler or flaps that deploy at a certain angle of attack. Like nose goes up more than 15 degrees and out it goes. Or maybe just a big red emergency button that they can hit to deploy.
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Pushing the bow down can be just as catastrophic an effect on what the boat does as blowing over. Unlike an aircraft, if you push or drop the bow down it can cause the keel of a v-hull to do what in racing jargon is called "hooking the boat" causing the boat to change the direction so violently that it will roll or flip. It would be like going 50mph in a boat and sticking a shovel blade down into the water. The same effect happens with catamaran hulls as well.
That's why, if running at a high speed, you don't ever quickly chop or quickly reduce the power on a performance boat as it will drastically drop the bow which can cause it to go out of control.
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I had the same idea as "George", but Gunny explained it well. Even worse would be jamming the nose in so hard it goes under water. Be like hitting a brick wall.
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Yes sir.
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Gunny456 said:

His name was Jim I bet. Dark blue HydroStream Viking?

That's him
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Happened down here several years ago in Corpus during a boat expo and a couple of well known guides down here were hospitalized several very serious injuries but luckily both lived. I think they were pushing 90mph and it caught air just like that.

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Haha. Only Gunny would know the guys name, boat, and boat color from the early 80's. Too darn funny. Walking encyclopedia.
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Gunny456 said:

The throttle man is controlling the trim of the boat. He was trying to ink out every mph he could by making it lift. He just raised it a little too much. Once it gets past the point of no return and the forward part of the tunnel loads up with air you can't stop it.
They don't want to force the bow down like a dragster. They need it to lift. The art is getting the hull up onto the primary running surfaces and getting it to "settle in" and using the airflow through the tunnel to create lift. Just the right amount…..basically flying the boat.
Just one of the characteristics of a performance cat.

Seems like you could have electrically actuated spoilers on the front that would keep the nose from lifting too high. Maybe controlled by a human, but automatic would be more effective to prevent these flip overs. Angle of attack sensors that actuate the spoilers to gently push the nose down only when a critical angle of attack is exceeded. These would slow the boats down universally, but possibly improve safety.

Seems crazy to "fly" anything with so few control surfaces.
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"Fly" is just a term used in the performance boat world. Those boats like that are around 4-5 million $$ or more investments. Those teams have engineers and engineers techs on staff.
Those cats already have movable surfaces underneath the rear aft of the hull that they are controlling as they move down the course. Those surfaces control the load up of the air in the tunnel and control bow and stern lift.
In addition to those surfaces, the outdrives themselves are Arneson Surface Drives and they are hydraulically adjustable to control the angle of attack of the hull. (Up and Down trim).
Over the years there has been much experimentation with various types of canards and control surfaces.
There is a lot of nautical factors that come into play when setting up and running performance boats. To discuss them here would take a book or two of info.
The greatest challenge is the fact that the boats are driven by multiple props that have to hold the water to provide propulsion…and those props are surfacing props….they are running half out of the water. Totally unlike moving air with a prop driven aircraft.
Any movement of the front or bow area changes the stern and aft movement and the reverse also stands true.
So in simple terms, when you push the bow down the stern lifts, when the stern lifts your props come out of the water, when the props come out of the water you lose all bow lift and the bow falls and you are now out of control and bad things happen.
There has been thousands of dollars spent on various experimental canards, wings, spoilers, etc over the decades of performance boats. So far none have worked satisfactorily.
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I'll pm you on Jim. Very close friend of mine. I worked for him for a number of years. We raced boats together years back. I still talk with him pretty regularly. He and I and some other hot boat guys used to get together every Thursday evening after work on Medina lake and run our boats.
He still has that same HydroStream. Only it has a 2.5 Mercury High Perf engine on it now. He also has a Liberator with a Merc 300 R on it he bought a couple or three years back.
He and I have had lots of fun together running boats. I would get a boat to outrun him and he would do something to his to outrun me.
He and his family are good people.

ETA: This made me call him. Just got off the phone with him. He remembers you and the ride!
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