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CivilEng08
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I have a Savage Axis II with the acutrigger and a wood stock chambered in.308. It has a pretty nice Rudolph scope on it that I picked up from eyeguy. I now want a threaded barrel, and I understand that this particular barrel cannot be threaded.

With that in mind, it sounds like a pre-fit barrel swap is not the most difficult DIY job in the world on a Axis/110 action. Then again, at that point is it worth going ahead and doing a stock also? And at that point, should I just get a new rifle in 308 and dump the savage?

I use this rifle for pretty much all of my big game hunting from deer to mountain hunts, and while I like the wood stock, I have no interest in a high grade walnut stock because of the amount of abuse my gun sees. I'm also not a highly skilled or interested distance shooter. My goal is minute of deer/elk/bear within 300-350 yards.

From what I can tell, my price range for just a barrel swap is around $250 up to $$$$ plus any smith work.

Wanted some thoughts about realistic expectations to take this on, and then what alternatives I should consider in order to end up with a good shooter with a light trigger and a threaded barrel.
Fdsa
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I think it all depends on how much you like the axis action. I did something similar with a tikka action. Replaced barrel with proof carbon wrapped and an agm composite stock. Love the gun now, but it was the same cost in the end as just getting a new gun with a threaded barrel….but I didn't want to part with my action.

You might look at Bergara for new with threaded.
TikkaShooter
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Quote:

I understand that this particular barrel cannot be threaded.

Why?

Every barrel can be threaded.

It's likely that you have a barrel that is a slimmer profile (sporter contour) and will just require an adapter to facilitate a connection with a suppressor.

If you love the gun, the barrel can def be made to work.

If you're looking for a good excuse to buy a new gun....I wont stop you!
AggiePetro07
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I wouldn't spend the money to dress up an Axis. I'd leave it as is for what it's good for: a reliable rifle you don't really care about getting banged up, dropped, rained on, bloodied, etc.

I'm not knocking the Savage Axis, I just think you'd be happier in the long run going with a different gun.

Spend that money on a pre-threaded upgrade like a Bergara or a Weatherby Vanguard. I bought a Bergara B-14 Ridge a few years ago in 7mm-08. It's very accurate and is a nice gun. I think the WBY is nicer though.

Tikkas are great, but most are an aftermarket threading from being where you want to be. Scheels does it for $125 by the way. I love my Tikkas and they are one of my first choices in new rifles.

I bought a Weatherby Vanguard in burnt bronze cerakote with a threaded barrel last year for about $750. It's a hell of a rifle. The trigger is excellent and I was done with load workup in 9 shots. Ramshot Big Game, 150 TTSX, Norma Brass and a CCI 250. Consistenly sub-MOA with a Burris 3-9x40 Fullfield II (since replaced).

If that's not your price range, go with a Ruger American (I'm pretty sure they come threaded) or a TC Venture.

Unless you have to have a 308 Win, there's a 6.5 CM on Gunbroker https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1028396695

AggiePetro07
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If I were picking a rifle under $1,000 (you didn't give a budget, but I want to be reasonable) it would be in this order:

Tikka T3x Stainless w/ thread job ($850 + $150)
Weatherby Vanguard Weatherguard Bronze ($800)
Bergara B14 Ridge (distant 3rd simply because of weight and fit/finish)
Dirty-8-thirty Ag
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Check out the Ruger American Gen II's! Threaded muzzle from factory and very easy to drop in a trigger. I wish they were making one in 22 creed and I'd get one. Only making one in 22 ARC.
DBill
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Not sure why it can't be threaded, I have a savage axis 2 with hardwood stock in 270 I had threaded no problem.

IF, you want an excuse to buy another gun, Ruger Americans are great and come threaded if gen 1, predator models, ranch, go wild and then all Gen 2.

I recently picked up a savage 110 trail hunter for a very reasonable price. Hogue stock, heavy contour threaded barrel. Should get it to the range soon but feels nice thus far.
CivilEng08
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Trying to answer a few questions/comments here.

I don't love or hate the axis action. I do like the trigger dialed all the way down, and I don't want something with a heavy crappy trigger.
As far as threading the stock sporter barrel, savage shooters forums seems pretty consistent about not being able to. MD is 5/8x24 and I don't have a caliper, but it's not much bigger than .600 at the muzzle. I can't see how you'd be able to cut threads on it.
For a budget, I was shopping the 250-450 prefits. I honestly don't want to spend more that about a grand on this endeavor however I get there.
I'm not married to 308 and even thought about changing it with a barrel swap, but it's a great do-all round with lots of easy to get ammo. That's tough to give up even for something fun.
AggiePetro07
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CivilEng08 said:

Trying to answer a few questions/comments here.

I don't love or hate the axis action. I do like the trigger dialed all the way down, and I don't want something with a heavy crappy trigger.
As far as threading the stock sporter barrel, savage shooters forums seems pretty consistent about not being able to. MD is 5/8x24 and I don't have a caliper, but it's not much bigger than .600 at the muzzle. I can't see how you'd be able to cut threads on it.
For a budget, I was shopping the 250-450 prefits. I honestly don't want to spend more that about a grand on this endeavor however I get there.
I'm not married to 308 and even thought about changing it with a barrel swap, but it's a great do-all round with lots of easy to get ammo. That's tough to give up even for something fun.
You could easily thread at 1/2x28. I would be you could even do 5/8x24 if you wanted. Whatever MD you're using probably is available in 1/2x28 if you go that route.

Just do a TC Venture, Ruger American, or Weatherby Vanguard. Any of those will serve you well, with money left over for a decent scope.

Just me, but I would never rebarrel a Savage Axis, especially for 250-450.

You can always shorten your axis barrel and get the meat for a 5/8x24. Going to 20" will not hurt you.

308 is a great all around round. I wouldn't hesitate to hunt any and all NA big game with it, given the appropriate bullets and distance.

I've shot a number of axis triggers, the Tikka, Weatherby and Ruger all blow it out of the water. At least in my experience, which isn't vast by any means.

The 6.5 CM is a good round and very versatile. The Sweedes kill moose with its grandpa for God sakes.

Were I shopping, however, I'd stay with 308.

Where are you located? You're welcome to swing by and grab my TIkka and WBY for a spin if you'd like.
DBill
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CivilEng08 said:

Trying to answer a few questions/comments here.

I don't love or hate the axis action. I do like the trigger dialed all the way down, and I don't want something with a heavy crappy trigger.
As far as threading the stock sporter barrel, savage shooters forums seems pretty consistent about not being able to. MD is 5/8x24 and I don't have a caliper, but it's not much bigger than .600 at the muzzle. I can't see how you'd be able to cut threads on it.
For a budget, I was shopping the 250-450 prefits. I honestly don't want to spend more that about a grand on this endeavor however I get there.
I'm not married to 308 and even thought about changing it with a barrel swap, but it's a great do-all round with lots of easy to get ammo. That's tough to give up even for something fun.


Have you taken the gun to a gunsmith to check out? I took my 270, same as yours, and my guys said, yeah no problem, should be done in about 2-3 days. $90 barrel thread job and boom, good to go.

He did a 1/2 x 28 thread on mine, just FYI.
ldg397
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Tikka and get it threaded. Go shoot. Done.
meggy09
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Buy this: TFTT6352A73C960B
mhnatt
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Thread it down to a 1/2 28 and then adapt it up to whatever you want like a 5/8 X 24 using an adapter:

https://www.silencercentral.com/products/30-cal-thread-adapter/
ghollow
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I had my Remington 700 30-06 barrel threaded last summer at Cajun Gunsmith in Plano. I got it back about a week later. It cost $125. I also had to buy an adapter for my suppressor. The diameter of the barrel was not quite big enough to thread to 5/8" so they cut the threads to 1/2", hence the need for the adapter. Works great.

So the greatest civilization is one where all citizens are equally armed and can only be persuaded, never forced. It removes force from the equation... and that's why carrying a gun is a civilized act.
LRHF
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Nothing to add technically for your question. I'm blown away at how accurate and cheap new guns are!
CivilEng08
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Thanks for all of the feedback everyone. I had to double check, and it looks like I could get a 762 qd muzzle device in a 1/2x28 thread, so I guess that might be feasible, but they run about $160 and I already have one in 5/8x24. I don't like the idea of an adapter to an adapter. I may talk to a smith about trying to do a 1/2" thread and will look more at some of those options for a new rifle with factory threaded barrel.
DBill
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Is the end goal running a suppressor or muzzle brake?
CivilEng08
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Can. Its a huxwrx and ships with a brake qd.
DBill
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AggieMPH2005
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I feel like a high end can like that deserves a purposely acquired host. Aren't the Tikka CTR's threaded? Seems like that would be the same price as buying a regular T3x and having it threaded.

But I also tend to go overboard with my builds….
CTGilley
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AggieMPH2005 said:

I feel like a high end can like that deserves a purposely acquired host. Aren't the Tikka CTR's threaded? Seems like that would be the same price as buying a regular T3x and having it threaded.

But I also tend to go overboard with my builds….


They are much heavier.
jbp7hl
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20" tikka CTR

It comes threaded from tikka and is a great length once it has a can on it.

If you're doing any kind of precision rifle shooting, might want to go with the 24, but for hunting the 20 inch with a can works great in a blind. Throwing it in a KRG bravo stock really stiffens it up and makes it nice but it is more money. Maybe Something to upgrade to in the future.

If you're trying to go with a lightweight hunter, that might not be the option.

TikkaShooter
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I can confirm that the CTR is a fantastic platform.

My go to gun is a CTR chopped to 18
Sitting in a manners EHT stock
Cut to use T3 mags, not the heavy CTR mag
Wears a TBAC U7 all the time
Right now topped with an Athlon Helios

Heck of a shooting iron and has taken hundreds of animals.
schmellba99
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CivilEng08 said:

Thanks for all of the feedback everyone. I had to double check, and it looks like I could get a 762 qd muzzle device in a 1/2x28 thread, so I guess that might be feasible, but they run about $160 and I already have one in 5/8x24. I don't like the idea of an adapter to an adapter. I may talk to a smith about trying to do a 1/2" thread and will look more at some of those options for a new rifle with factory threaded barrel.
How far back would you have to cut the barrel to get enough diameter to cut .625x24 threads? Doubt it's more than an inch or two, which won't make a difference to any appreciable degree in how you use the gun, and will make the gun more user friendly when you do attach a can.

A smith/machinist can easily cut the barrel and thread it in one sitting, probably won't even charge you any more than just the threading.
dahouse
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I bought a Nomad LTi and Dead Air makes them so you can swap the bases. I bought a 1/2 x 28 base for the can because my 26 Nosler is threaded that size. I plan on threading a couple of other rifles the same thread pattern.
Cody
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CTGilley
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schmellba99 said:

CivilEng08 said:

Thanks for all of the feedback everyone. I had to double check, and it looks like I could get a 762 qd muzzle device in a 1/2x28 thread, so I guess that might be feasible, but they run about $160 and I already have one in 5/8x24. I don't like the idea of an adapter to an adapter. I may talk to a smith about trying to do a 1/2" thread and will look more at some of those options for a new rifle with factory threaded barrel.
How far back would you have to cut the barrel to get enough diameter to cut .625x24 threads? Doubt it's more than an inch or two, which won't make a difference to any appreciable degree in how you use the gun, and will make the gun more user friendly when you do attach a can.

A smith/machinist can easily cut the barrel and thread it in one sitting, probably won't even charge you any more than just the threading.


They normally charge more because they have to recrown.
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