My Q Minifix needs a scope. I borrowed the optics from my Grendel SBR to test out the gun but its time to buy the gun its own glass.



I mostly shoot subs through this gun, so it doesnt need a ton of magnification.

Priorities:
Lightweight
Decent glass
Illumination has NV compatible settings
Reticle that is useful with the rainbow trajectory of 300blk subs.

From my own research the Steiner P4xi seems to fit my criteria pretty well. Anything else I should look at before buying?

I like the Eotech VUDU in that role. I believe the 1-6 has a reticle like what you are talking. Also have a standard Mil reticle

I have the 1-8 but mine is just standard crosshairs. They also have a 1-10

Leupold vx-6hd 1-6? Lightweight but just a
simple illum reticle

Just got a trijicon credo hx 1-6 with the bdc reticle I'm satisfied with for the money.

I would have got the leupold if it* had a knob instead of button I think

The new Mark5 HD 2-10x30

https://www.leupold.com/shop/riflescopes/series/mark-5hd-rifle-scopes

I got a VX5HD 2-10 CDSZL2 duplex no dot I'll sell ya!

Thanks for the replies so far, looked into everyones suggestions. Going to respond generally to everything in one post.

I've been shooting this gun with a 1-8 nightforce on it. Its more magnification than I think 188-220gr subs out of a 8" barrel need. 1-4 or 1-6 is where I'm leaning. This isnt a 1000y gun.

If I do take the weight penalty to go illuminated, it needs to have NV friendly settings, which i think rules out the Vudu even though I like some of its other features a lot.

The lighter Leopolds seem to only come with the duplex reticle. Really prefer something with a ranging/bdc type reticle for this gun.

Still leaning towards original thought of the Steiner P4xi (though just realized picture shows the wrong model, looking at the P3TR reticle, not the G1).

LOL….. no input…. but high5 on title!!! made me chuckle!

Delta Stryker 1-6x is my go to for a 1-6 LPVO. Ticks all the right boxes, nuclear bright illumination, lightweight, good glass.
http://darnfineshot.com/deopsthd130t.html

Don't order online, email/call for a discount.

I have an extra nx8 I'm not using. Just sitting there on the shelf

How about a vcog with 3oo blackout reticle?? Little heavy, but 1x6

Is the trijicon 1x4 accupoint nv capable??

SMM48 said:

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How about a vcog with 3oo blackout reticle?? Little heavy, but 1x6

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I second that ^^^. Great choice for the application.

Or, if you want to save $ and reduce weight, how about an ACOG or Mini ACOG? Very rugged, lightweight, simple, NV compatible, BDC reticles, good optics, illuminated reticle, and fixed power choices in 3x or 4x seems about perfect to me.

alvtimes said:

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LOL….. no input…. but high5 on title!!! made me chuckle!

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I am a freely admitted gun dork, but always like to see if other nerds know something I dont.

Thaddeus Beauregard said:

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SMM48 said:

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How about a vcog with 3oo blackout reticle?? Little heavy, but 1x6

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I second that ^^^. Great choice for the application.

Or, if you want to save $ and reduce weight, how about an ACOG or Mini ACOG? Very rugged, lightweight, simple, NV compatible, BDC reticles, good optics, illuminated reticle, and fixed power choices in 3x or 4x seems about perfect to me.

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The Vcog is 28 oz or so. Thats a chunky boi to put on top of a light weight gun. The mini fix with my hyperion on it and a loaded 10 round mag weighs 6 lbs even. Thats why weight is a priority here, dont want to throw heavy optics on top of that.

The Acog idea has merit. Acog plus a top mounted rmr is slightly lighter than the steiner, easier to use passively and according to stelok things should match up okay reticle wise.

Problem with the ACOG is eye relief. Only one I have handy is a 4x TA31 and it does not work well on this gun with the stock mount (just tried it)



I know the 3.5x and 3x models have better eye relief and there are some aftermarket mount options but that seems like a lot of buying and hoping things work out eye relief wise vs just mounting a 1-4x….

Understand and I'm right there with you on your philosophy for that setup.

As an aside, the Mini Fix is an uber cool little rifle. I'm currently in the process of building a "Fix-like" SBR in 8.6Blk using a custom action, 11" barrel, and lightweight chassis. I plan to shoot subs and suppress it. I hunt mostly at night for pigs so I'll be mounting a thermal scope on mine.

Nice setup you have sir!

I think the Steiner may be perfect.

https://www.primaryarms.com/primary-arms-1-6x24mm-sfp-scope-w-acss-300blk-7-62x39-reticle

On sale, 16ish ounces and even has the 300blk reticle

Bender, you're spot on about ACOG eye relief. And you're right, the 3x versions have more than the 4x models.

This mount allows an ACOG to be positioned up to 2" further rearward:
https://www.admmfg.com/b3-c-acog-mount-tl

NVM

I always feel so poor when I open Bender threads

Watchful Ag said:

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I always feel so poor when I open Bender threads

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I feel that way opening Safari threads…or that hunting with a thermal drone thread.

If it makes you feel any better I drive a well used Toyota, dont have a fancy watch, dont have a bourbon collection…

This is literally the only thing I spend money for myself on.

Completely understand. And just for the record, I was mainly kidding

That said, as someone who is relatively new to the gun world, I'm regularly blown away at how much optics cost. Or some random accessory that will set me back half the cost of the rifle itself. But I get it, quality gear is typically expensive. Regardless of the hobby.

I love your threads though. That is, until I look up the prices on some of the items listed Hah!

You are living your American dream, and you inspire others. You are intentional with what you buy and do - which can't be said about so many people these days - I always read your posts to learn more.

-off topic man crush rant over-

Welp, still haven't bought the steiner. *also a fair warning, severe gun autism post incoming*

NX8 went back on my grendel build, so I had a Trijicon 1-8 on the gun as a placeholder and strongly disliked it. Why?

Well, the gun without a scope and suppressor weighs all of ~4 lbs and 14 oz.



The Trijicon 1-8 and mount? That weighs 2 lbs, 1 oz.



So with the Trijicon 1-8 and the CGS Hyperion suppressor, my lightweight, handy rifle is now 7 lbs, 14 oz.



So I started experimenting with other options. Using an AGM Rattler thermal, I dropped the weight down to an even 7 lbs. But I need to swap over to the cantilever mount on the thermal for better eye relief...and I really prefer using that thermal as a clip on in front of day scopes on other guns so I don't really want to change mounts.



I didn't want to spend ACOG money, but I was happy to spend Primary Arms level money to try out the micro prism concept discussed earlier in this thread. It wildly violates the "spend as much on the optic as you do on the gun" rule, but the PA 3x micro prism with the 300blk reticle weighs 1/4 of what the Trijicon 1-8 did.

As pictured the gun weighs 6lbs 4 oz. Much, much more in line with the concept of the rifle. It drops to an even 6 if I swap out the full size Hyperion for the K version of the can.



I have an ADM mount coming for it tomorrow, and I have a couple other ideas to try if that mount doesn't work. Eye relief with the PA stock mount works, but its almost too far forward. Hopefully either the ADM mount or directly mounting the micro to a unity riser mounted backwards gives me better eye relief, but I think this is much closer to what I would like to use with this gun. Now I just need to test how well the reticle lines up with the drop of my preferred 300blk loads.

One more picture comparing size to a G19 to demonstrate why I hate turning something that started out weighing less than 5 lbs into another 8-9lbs rifle like all the rest of my guns: the mini fix should be light and small. There's literally no point to the thing if it isn't as small and light as possible.

What model rattler do you have? Contemplating a 25-384 to go on a short distance 300bo rig. Have a tc35-384 that have had good luck. Thinking I can go smaller/cheaper without sacrificing much

Thats a TC35-384 too. Using the eyecup piece so it can be used standalone, but I really do like using it as a clip on over dedicated.

If/when I buy another thermal I'm probably going 640. 384 is good enough for most stuff, but the difference between the two makes the upgrade worth it. I was saving for an iray RH25 640 when I got too good of a deal on this 384 unit to pass up.

If its ugly but it works, it aint ugly…..

Unity riser+adm mount moved the microprism back enough to help with eye relief and put the optic in line with thermal clip on.



3x microprism, thermal clip on, streamlight tlr vir for both white and IR options so I could shoot passively with either thermal or NV, or active with the laser in the TLR.

7 lbs, 15 oz as pictured.



Think I'm going to try this set up out for a while.

Wait.... wasn't 7 lbs 14 oz with the Trijicon and Hyperion too heavy a couple posts ago? And now 7 lbs 15 oz is ok?

AgEng06 said:

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Wait.... wasn't 7 lbs 14 oz with the Trijicon and Hyperion too heavy a couple posts ago? And now 7 lbs 15 oz is ok?

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It was that weight without thermal or light/ir.

The thermal is on a qd mount and the set up weighs 6 lbs, 11oz without it.

8 lbs with thermal and nv capability is a whole different animal than 8 lbs with just a daytime scope.

I figured that was the case after I posted, but left it to mess with you.

Well, I tried out the cantilevered micro prism for a while.

It didn't work.

The eye relief was terrible (thus the backwards unity mount trying to get it in a better position). Worse than that though, it didn't hold zero. I know, shocker that putting a weight on the end of a lever dangling off the back of the receiver didn't hold zero well.

So back to square one. This time using a cheap 1.5-4x leupold. Super basic scope, no illum, nothing fancy, just a light (12.5 oz with high talley rings) basic scope.

Eye relief is much improved, ability to do anything between 1.5 and 4x is nice compared to a fixed 3x, and weight didn't change much at all (up about 1 oz).

I don't mind spending $$$ on a scope for a gun that I shoot a lot, but this is not one that gets out a ton so lets see how a cheap leupold holds up on it.

Nice! Do you have an aftermarket QD mount for the Hyperion?

08N.Ftw.Ag said:

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Nice! Do you have an aftermarket QD mount for the Hyperion?

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Direct thread.

The Hyperion and Hyperion K pictured are both 5/8x24 direct thread cans.

I originally bought them because they have a 25 deg taper that matches my MCX barrels, then also bought the mini fix partially because it uses the same thread pitch and 25 deg taper mount as my MCX and the CGS cans.