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SanAntoneAg
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Has anyone ever heard of this?

Contrary to popular perception in Texas, one cannot legally shoot a coyote, whether in a rural or urban setting, if the coyote is not posing a direct threat to livestock, fowl, domestic animals or humans, said Houston attorney Dylan Price.

This was published in a Jan. 31, 2022 article in the San Antonio Express New titled "Mating season for coyotes amplifies the howling in San Antonio's urban wildlife soundtrack."

I emailed the author of the article, Bruce Selcraig, the following:

Sir,

Methinks your attorney source is flat out wrong.

Contrary to popular perception in Texas, one cannot legally shoot a coyote, whether in a rural or urban setting, if the coyote is not posing a direct threat to livestock, fowl, domestic animals or humans, said Houston attorney Dylan Price.

Coyotes are shot all of the time in rural Texas. And it is perfectly legal without the reasons cited above. A better source would have been TPWD. It's all spelled out pretty simply here: https://tpwd.texas.gov/regulations/outdoor-annual/hunting/nongame-and-other-species

Have a great day,
SanAntoneAg
San Antonio

Mr. Selcraig shot my email to his attorney source who replied with:

Bruce,

The Texas Parks and Wildlife Code's allowance on shooting coyotes on private property does not provide a defense to any discharge crime (Discharge of a Firearm in City Limits, Deadly Conduct, Disorderly Conduct, etc.). This code simply, and only, provides that there is no hunting-related offense committed for taking coyotes on private land under certain circumstances.

Section 42.092(d)(1) of the Texas Penal Code creates a defense to animal cruelty for the shooting of a coyote as a "dangerous wild animal." However, in order to take advantage of this defense the actor must have a reasonable fear of bodily injury. This generally means that the animal is an imminent threat. Texas Health and Safety Code 822.013 also directly addresses the defense of necessity and references Parks and Wildlife Code on hunting licenses.

Though there is no stated defense to firearms discharge crimes for shooting a coyote, assuming the shooting was reasonable and immediately necessary to prevent bodily injury the shooter should not be criminally liable for any discharge crime under the defense of necessity, Texas Penal Code 9.22.

In terms of case law, the Court of Criminal Appeals discussed the issue of self-defense against dogs and coyotes extensively in Chase v. State.

Feel free to reach out if you have more questions or emails from skeptical readers.

Best,
Dylan B. Price

What's with all the legalese? TPWD has it stated clearly on their web site. Coyotes are listed as a Nongame Species. A hunting license is required for the take of nongame species. There are no closed seasons, bag limits or possession limits; and, they may be hunted at any time by any lawful means or methods on private property. There may be restrictions for certain species of nongame animals, including possession limits (see below). In addition, be aware that public hunting lands may also have additional restrictions. If hunting at night, as a courtesy please contact your local game warden.

Color me confused...
Gig 'em! '90
CactusThomas
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Who cares what these idiots say
RikkiTikkaTagem
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As long as you don't get an invoice from the lawyer, I'd consider it a win.
Be Yonder
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Y'all are looking through different lenses, I think. You, as a hunter, are picturing him telling you that you can't shoot 100 coyotes out of a deer stand.

The lawyer, on the other hand is picturing you jogging the streets of a suburban San Antonio neighborhood shooting your 9mm at a pack of coyotes drinking from the entry fountain.

You're talking about hunting coyotes, he's talking about shooting guns in residential neighborhoods requiring you being attacked by coyotes.

Methinks…
Apache
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Is it really a crime if the people that uphold the laws (Game Wardens) don't care to enforce it?
powerbelly
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The Texas Parks and Wildlife Code's allowance on shooting coyotes on private property does not provide a defense to any discharge crime (Discharge of a Firearm in City Limits, Deadly Conduct, Disorderly Conduct, etc.).
IANAL but he is just saying if you aren't allowed to shoot guns somewhere without good reason (i.e. self-defense) you are not allowed to shoot a coyote. I can't just shoot one in my front yard in Dallas for example.

I can shoot every one I see on the deer lease.
tmvincent97
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SanAntoneAg said:

Has anyone ever heard of this?

Contrary to popular perception in Texas, one cannot legally shoot a coyote, whether in a rural or urban setting, if the coyote is not posing a direct threat to livestock, fowl, domestic animals or humans, said Houston attorney Dylan Price.


i understand the argument that others made that he is just saying you can't shoot a yote in your suburb just for the hell of it. But to me, his statement in bold implies that he is saying you can't shoot one period since he included rural and did not care to elaborate about hunting laws until pressed. I agree with the OP that this lawyer was incorrect in his statement in the first place. However, ill give the guy the benefit of the doubt and acknowledge it could have been poor wording on his part initially also
RockwallAg
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Wodanaz said:

Y'all are looking through different lenses, I think. You, as a hunter, are picturing him telling you that you can't shoot 100 coyotes out of a deer stand.

The lawyer, on the other hand is picturing you jogging the streets of a suburban San Antonio neighborhood shooting your 9mm at a pack of coyotes drinking from the entry fountain.

You're talking about hunting coyotes, he's talking about shooting guns in residential neighborhoods requiring you being attacked by coyotes.

Methinks…


The governor did it and had a special edition Ruger made to commemorate it
concac
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He mentioned Section 42.092(d)(1) and I quote what it says about what defines an "animal":

Quote:

Sec. 42.092. CRUELTY TO NONLIVESTOCK ANIMALS. (a) In this section:
(1) "Abandon" includes abandoning an animal in the person's custody without making reasonable arrangements for assumption of custody by another person.
(2) "Animal" means a domesticated living creature, including any stray or feral cat or dog, and a wild living creature previously captured. The term does not include an uncaptured wild living creature or a livestock animal.

Wouldn't that exclude coyotes?
tree91
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Remember these words, "He was coming right for me!"
IamGroot
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Houston..
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Ag 11
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What about at the border?
Ag 11
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Wodanaz said:

Y'all are looking through different lenses, I think. You, as a hunter, are picturing him telling you that you can't shoot 100 coyotes out of a deer stand.

The lawyer, on the other hand is picturing you jogging the streets of a suburban San Antonio neighborhood shooting your 9mm at a pack of coyotes drinking from the entry fountain.

You're talking about hunting coyotes, he's talking about shooting guns in residential neighborhoods requiring you being attacked by coyotes.

Methinks…

docb
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That's another example of why we need fewer attorneys.
CSAggie05
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So in reference to 42.09, this code only would apply if the animal was confined by the owner in any way (in a cage). As 99% of the common citizens are not going to purposely cage or confine a wild coyote, this code does not apply. Also, is this code we're even remotely applied, the fact that you killed the animal rather than shoot to wound or maim would negate the charge.

In so far as in a city, it is correct that a person (in most cases) cannot discharge a firearm inside the city limits and could receive a charge. This could be as simple as a citation or greater charges depending on the city, police, and district attorney. But in most cases, a citation or warning, if caught.

But truthfully, he picked the wrong attorney to use as a reference. And by using this attorney's advice will likely result in you being charged with a crime anyway.
JSKolache
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This is what lawyers do. They dig around to find conflicting statutes to prove whatever point they are trying to make that day. Then bill you $600/hr.
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Jason C.
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RockwallAg said:

Wodanaz said:

Y'all are looking through different lenses, I think. You, as a hunter, are picturing him telling you that you can't shoot 100 coyotes out of a deer stand.

The lawyer, on the other hand is picturing you jogging the streets of a suburban San Antonio neighborhood shooting your 9mm at a pack of coyotes drinking from the entry fountain.

You're talking about hunting coyotes, he's talking about shooting guns in residential neighborhoods requiring you being attacked by coyotes.

Methinks…


The governor did it and had a special edition Ruger made to commemorate it


That reminds me, I was there to watch that story break. I was working in Austin for a year and the judge I worked for took his staff with him to McBride's one day after lunch. Governor Perry comes in and so we chat it up (he and my boss knew each other well). My Aggie ring got a comment. We start talking guns, and turns out the judge's secretary is interested in a .380 for her purse, and Rick says "hang on, you gotta try mine." Sends his man out to the car to fetch it and he brings it in, she messes around with it and while she's aiming it at all the animal mounts around the room, he tells us this story of the jog and the coyote, he "shot it with this gun right here!", had happened fairly recently. We laugh our asses off and were all like "dude, holy sheet that's a great story!" We leave, and the judge's secretary a few days later is talking to a friend in chambers, a reporter, and tells him this story. He's the guy who reported it and broke it nationally.

Edit to add. When the story broke and was on Drudge, the judge's secretary was like OMG the governor is going to KILL me. Sweating bullets. "I should never have told that story!" But it was a total coup for Slick Rick and great press. He actually called her a week or so later to thank her.

Thanks for that memory.
BCO07
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powerbelly said:


IANAL

Um, what?
CashinOut
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BCO07 said:

powerbelly said:


IANAL

Um, what?


Did he stutter??
O.G.
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SSS
LimpinM
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I think of greater concern is the fact that reporters like this are able to write whatever they want without fear of someone challenging the truthfulness of their reporting. Anyone casually reading this article in the city of San Antonio who is unfamiliar with rural life now thinks that hunting coyotes is illegal. Some might say, well this is no big deal but unfortunately, it is a microcosm of what is going on today. Ethics in journalism has gone completely out the window and the result is a tremendous amount of disinformation widely circulated. Not to make this political on an outdoor forum, but that seems to be the world we live in these days.
Alta
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Wow - his legal research skills are pretty subpar.
Tailgate88
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BCO07 said:

powerbelly said:


IANAL

Um, what?


I am not a lawyer…
BlackGoldAg2011
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tmvincent97 said:

SanAntoneAg said:

Has anyone ever heard of this?

Contrary to popular perception in Texas, one cannot legally shoot a coyote, whether in a rural or urban setting, if the coyote is not posing a direct threat to livestock, fowl, domestic animals or humans, said Houston attorney Dylan Price.


i understand the argument that others made that he is just saying you can't shoot a yote in your suburb just for the hell of it. But to me, his statement in bold implies that he is saying you can't shoot one period since he included rural and did not care to elaborate about hunting laws until pressed. I agree with the OP that this lawyer was incorrect in his statement in the first place. However, ill give the guy the benefit of the doubt and acknowledge it could have been poor wording on his part initially also
the problem i see is as a lawyer he should know better. he is paid good money to be very precise with language.

i did some digging on him and assuming i've got the right guy, this could just be a product of being young. Graduated law school in 2016 and has been practicing since 2017. I looked him up honestly expecting to find a liberal with an agenda, but reading his Bio on his firm's page makes me think he is just young and mistaken. And as a criminal defense attorney in Houston, I doubt he has much case experience pertaining to wildlife/hunting law.

https://www.walkertaylorlaw.com/dylan-price
Alta
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As a fellow lawyer, it doesn't take five years post law school to figure out that words matter. I'm not sure you even have to go to law school for that one.

Also, would you really need a quote from a lawyer telling people it is illegal to discharge firearms in urban areas? I think most folks understand if you see a coyote walking around Memorial park you aren't allowed to shoot it. And if they didn't already know that they probably have other bigger issues to focus on. His use of the word "rural" doesn't make a lot of sense. There certainly are rural areas where you can't discharge a firearm but by and large in rural areas you can.
TexasRebel
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City lawyer.

Seems he cannot fathom legal discharge of a firearm.
BlueSmoke
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MAROON
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he links a section of the Texas code as support for his argument but didn't apparently read the section he linked....or stopped before he read the entire statute, which says

(f) It is an exception to the application of this section that the conduct engaged in by the actor is a generally accepted and otherwise lawful:

(1) form of conduct occurring solely for the purpose of or in support of:
(A) fishing, hunting, or trapping; or
(B) wildlife management, wildlife or depredation control, or shooting preserve practices as regulated by state and federal law; or
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Alta
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It also doesn't appear he read the definitions (and I admittedly only spent 30 seconds googling the statute quoted) but Section 42.092(a)(2) excludes "uncaptured wild living creatures" from the definition of "Animal" and therefore the entire section he quoted is inapplicable.

I will say I have had a nice exchange with the journalist or seems like a pretty nice guy.
txags92
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Ag 11 said:

What about at the border?
Those coyotes are shepherding future democratic voters to the polling place. You can't ever shoot them.
Alta
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I wasted too much time today looking into this and exchanging emails with the journalist who wrote the article. Sounds like it wasn't poor wording and this lawyer really believes that it is illegal to kill coyotes in Texas unless the coyote poses a direct threat to livestock, poultry, pets or humans. Sounds like he is not backing down from that stance. It is such a bad take, horrible reading of relevant statutes and basic common sense that it is mind blowing. As a lawyer he would do well to learn that being a lawyer doesn't always make you right. Sometimes the best course of action is to admit when you are wrong and move on as well.
Apache
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Quote:

As a lawyer he would do well to learn that being a lawyer doesn't always make you right.

aggiedad20
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Arrest me
aggiedad20
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aggiedad20 said:

Arrest me



Dead yote pic flagged? Wow
What world are we living in really??
Lol
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