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AR-15 is not the Lego gun. MCX is.

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People talk about about how modular the AR-15 is. And that's true, it's a very versatile gun, especially using multiple uppers.

But when it comes to just one individual gun with no extra receivers being versatile, the Sig MCX is the next generation of "modular". The Magpul Masada (turned ACR) had potential, and the MCX is a fully fleshed out take on it, IMO.

Here's a stock photo of what they look like:


Thick handguards and lack of a buffer tube are two obvious differences. MCX uses an AR-18 style piston and dual recoil spring assembly, eliminating the need for a buffer tube. G36, SCAR, Bren, etc all use similar AR-18 derived set ups. That means folding stocks are an option, which is nice.

Here's just the upper and lower:


Pic rail lower means any stock that attaches via 1913 rail can be used on the MCX. The extended upper receiver has rails for installing free floated handguards. Instead of a traditional barrel nut, MCX uses a clamshell style clamping mechanism to hold the barrel. With nothing more than a T27 torx bit you can swap out stocks and barrels. They have 5.56 barrels in 16" and 11.5", and 300blk barrels in 16", 9", 6.75". Rattler has 5.5" barrels in both calibers but stuff is slightly less interchangeable between the MCX and Rattler so I'm just focusing on MCX, though the Rattler is neat too.

And here's just one way you can set up an MCX: as a small PDW.



Close up of barrel install: you'll notice notches in the receiver to match lugs on the barrel to help line everything up consistently.



The underside of the receiver has a notch for the handguard retainer, which is held captive by the front take down pin (pretty smart design). Thanks to the long rails on the receiver that the rail installs on, anything like a peq that needs to hold zero can go on the handguard no problem.





And all slapped together. Took about 3 minutes.



Size comparison with a full size handgun to show how small this thing really is:



It's nice having something barely bigger than a handgun that can sling 300blk.

I'll follow up later with some other ways you can set it up. It's a very neat design and I think you'll see a lot of other companies doing similar things in the future. Modularity just makes too much sense. If you get a chance to pick up an MCX, I highly recommend it. They're really fantastic rifles.
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that's pretty cool.. damnit i like Sig! out of stock and $1900, but im looking at them

edit: missed your part on how it operates.. nevermind.
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Woods Ag said:


edit: missed your part on how it operates.. nevermind.


Not a fan of piston guns?
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not what i meant.. I meant nevermind responding to my question on how it operates.

I don't have much experience with them, so I can't say either here nor there. I want this one really badly now though.
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That is really cool. In the bottom photo where you compare with a pistol is that configuration an SBR? How does one handle the legality of pistol lower vs rifle? Same as AR-15s?
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AgToadie said:

That is really cool. In the bottom photo where you compare with a pistol is that configuration an SBR? How does one handle the legality of pistol lower vs rifle? Same as AR-15s?


Yes, I sbr'd mine.

Exact same as AR, lower receiver is the serialized part.

Only difference is you dont really bother swapping out upper receivers like you would on an AR because theres no point. Its literally a pushpin to replace handguards or 2 minutes with a torx wrench to replace barrels so one upper receiver is all you need.

They did a ton of work on making it a long lasting gun too. Entire forward assist assembly is replaceable, locking mechanism for barrels is replaceable, even put a replaceable insert for the cam pin on the upper receiver (piston guns can sometimes beat up a traditional AR upper along the cam pin path with high volume shooting).
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Woods Ag said:

not what i meant.. I meant nevermind responding to my question on how it operates.

I don't have much experience with them, so I can't say either here nor there. I want this one really badly now though.



Gotcha, didnt see pre edit so assumed you were onboard until you realized it was a piston gun.
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that's badass
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Bender threads. Good stuff.
Woods Ag
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can you change from 556 to 300blk with just a barrel swap?
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Woods Ag said:

can you change from 556 to 300blk with just a barrel swap?


Yep. Same bolt for both.
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mmm. ok, ill be on the lookout.

thanks for posting. and also, you know... i hate you..
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Perfect example of NOT a boring AR.
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Woods Ag said:

mmm. ok, ill be on the lookout.

thanks for posting. and also, you know... i hate you..

Oh just wait. The PDW isn't even my favorite way to set this thing up.

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you like the 16" one?

I'd want a 12.5" but it doesn't look like that's an option. 11.5" or 16" if you want 5.56
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Woods Ag said:

you like the 16" one?

I'd want a 12.5" but it doesn't look like that's an option. 11.5" or 16" if you want 5.56


I'm still on the hunt for a 16" barrel. I only have the 11.5" but its a great shooter.

If you want to get into the piston AR game at 12.5", keep an eye out for a Wolf A1 upper. Taiwanese have been using a piston AR since the 60s. It will require a buffer tube but you can slap a law folder on it and still make it small for a travel gun. Just can't fire it folded like an MCX.

Like my A1 uppers quite a bit. Highly recommend the H2 buffer though.

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How would you deal with different optics for different barrels?

If you had a good mount and a torque wrench, could you go from a 16" 5.56 with a 1-8x to the shorty .300BO with a small red dot without needing to re-zero?
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Why did I open this thread?????
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NRH ag 10 said:

How would you deal with different optics for different barrels?

If you had a good mount and a torque wrench, could you go from a 16" 5.56 with a 1-8x to the shorty .300BO with a small red dot without needing to re-zero?


Theoretically, maybe. There is a torque spec for the two trunnion bolts so if you torqued to spec, zerod, removed, and did it again it should be at least close. Quality optic mount would also be important.

Lots of variables.

Personally I always confirm zero when I move an optic, so I do the same when swapping barrels.

I'd like to go to the range with my 5.56 and 300blk barrels and swap between them looking for zero shift, but thats another "someday ill have time for that" project right now.
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looking at these last night. Did not need this thread to add fuel to the fire.

Not cheap, but look like good quality. Was looking at the 5.56 16" and 11.5". I like the piston, works well for the SCAR
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What's a PEQ? And what light do you have set up on in in that photo - is that the one you posted on the OB the other day? If so which model? Still need a light for my SP5.
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dr_boogs said:

What's a PEQ? And what light do you have set up on in in that photo - is that the one you posted on the OB the other day? If so which model? Still need a light for my SP5.


PEQ means IR laser/illuminator for shooting under night vision. Its important the rail doesnt flex and throw off your zero'd IR laser.

That one is an Arisaka 300 series light body with surefire tailcap and a malkof head, using a modbutton pressure switch. The Cloud lights are a little too big when I'm just doing the 6.75" barrel and no can, theres not a ton of rail space with this set up.

300 series lights are a good size for an SP5. Dont have a ton of rail space on that gun either.

Hope you're doing well, we need to go shoot sometime!
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bought one of these to see if I like it. works out great. both momentary and clicky.

https://www.unitytactical.com/product/hot-button-rail-mount/
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SMM48 said:

bought one of these to see if I like it. works out great. both momentary and clicky.

https://www.unitytactical.com/product/hot-button-rail-mount/



Its a good option. Ill be testing a dual lead modbutton for my scorpion soon. I normally use dedicated white light and dedicated IR with separate switches but I will be trying out the Echo light body mount for a CQBL with a white/ir Km1 head. Since it will already be either vis/ir only, just one button to turn on both makes sense with limited rail space, I think. We will see how I like it.
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Bender or Eyeguy...what value would you put on a Virtus MCX in FDE with a 9" 300BO barrel and a military Romeo4t in FDE? It also includes a suppressor ready hand guard, FDE Delta stock, Lancer MCX FDE mags (x3) and soft case. Thanks!
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jmazz said:

Bender or Eyeguy...what value would you put on a Virtus MCX in FDE with a 9" 300BO barrel and a military Romeo4t in FDE? It also includes a suppressor ready hand guard, FDE Delta stock, Lancer MCX FDE mags (x3) and soft case. Thanks!


I'm listening.
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jmazz said:

Bender or Eyeguy...what value would you put on a Virtus MCX in FDE with a 9" 300BO barrel and a military Romeo4t in FDE? It also includes a suppressor ready hand guard, FDE Delta stock, Lancer MCX FDE mags (x3) and soft case. Thanks!

Not up to date on current pricing (traded an M1A for mine in 2019 before prices went loco).

I do know they're trickling them out and demand is way up. Most gun shops aren't even putting them on the shelf, just flipping them on gunbroker for well over MSRP.

Sorry I can't help more, but if you want to sell you can probably get decent return on whatever you paid for it.
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BenderRodriguez said:

jmazz said:

Bender or Eyeguy...what value would you put on a Virtus MCX in FDE with a 9" 300BO barrel and a military Romeo4t in FDE? It also includes a suppressor ready hand guard, FDE Delta stock, Lancer MCX FDE mags (x3) and soft case. Thanks!

Not up to date on current pricing (traded an M1A for mine in 2019 before prices went loco).

I do know they're trickling them out and demand is way up. Most gun shops aren't even putting them on the shelf, just flipping them on gunbroker for well over MSRP.

Sorry I can't help more, but if you want to sell you can probably get decent return on whatever you paid for it.


I'm interested
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I don't own it. I have a chance to buy but his ask is my first born. Trying to get a gage on market value.
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jmazz said:

I don't own it. I have a chance to buy but his ask is my first born. Trying to get a gage on market value.


Yeah unfortunately market value is stupid high right now. He's probably asking an insane amount because someone might pay it.

Wish I had better news, sorry.
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While the MCX is a neat piece of work, it still doesn't provide many useful advantages over the AR in my opinion.

Yes, you can swap the barrel quickly but you are still left with zero issues on your optic so no advantage over a regular AR to me.

Haven't looked but I'll wager that almost no one is making barrels and hand guards for them due to patents. Tons of AR parts out there.

The only place where the MCX does shine is no need for a buffer tube.

That said, I wouldn't mind owning one but don't have a need that I can justify the cost.

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jmazz said:

I don't own it. I have a chance to buy but his ask is my first born. Trying to get a gage on market value.


Found some actually in stock. Never bought from this site so do your own due diligence.

https://gunprime.com/products?utf8=&keywords=Mcx
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Updating this thread a year later. I now have 16" and 11.5" 5.56 barrels, and 9" and 6.75" 300blk barrels and handguards for all of the above. I've rattlecanned the gun, used it with 16" 5.56 barrel at a run and gun, and my suppressors finally cleared so I've been playing the "which ammo that works well with which barrel length/can" game.

Frustratingly having issues shooting subsonic 300blk with the 6.75" barrel and cgs hyperion. Found a couple brands that will feed, but nothing that will lock back on an empty mag yet. 9" barrel might fix my issues, or trying a different can (both on the never ending list of things to do)….sig also released an updated F03 gas plug I need to try, as my barrel only came with the old F01 designed specifically for use with the Sig cans.

On the flipside, supers run well, including my preferred go to option: Barnes 110 gr tac-tx, and that barnes bullet is accurate as well.

As it sits right now:


With the 16" 5.56 barrel for the run and gun:


All the options:


And the reason it currently has an offset red dot in addition to the eotech:
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