Outdoors
Sponsored by

Pool - Automatic Liquid Chlorine Dispenser

8,957 Views | 34 Replies | Last: 4 yr ago by tamc93
ForeverAg
How long do you want to ignore this user?
I am making the switch from the tablets to liquid chlorine and I am trying to find an automatic dispenser to make this happen. I see hayward has one option but it requires you to use their control. By the time I buy the control and the chlorine pump I am at around $1600.

Are there better options or even a potential DIY option?
08N.Ftw.Ag
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Stenner pump hooked up through an auxiliary output on your current controller. Ideally an output that is setup so it won't turn on with the pump off...
Strongwind86
How long do you want to ignore this user?
ForeverAg said:

Are there better options or even a potential DIY option?
Any reason not to consider a salt system for chlorination in your pool?

I changed from the tablets to salt probably 10-12 years ago and never looked back. Replaced the salt cell once about 5 years ago ($500) - other than throwing in a bag or two of salt every now and then the system runs great. Clean the salt cell once or twice a year. Pretty low maintenance.

Live in greater Houston area. Pool is around 25,000 gallons.
ForeverAg
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Strongwind86 said:

ForeverAg said:

Are there better options or even a potential DIY option?
Any reason not to consider a salt system for chlorination in your pool?

I changed from the tablets to salt probably 10-12 years ago and never looked back. Replaced the salt cell once about 5 years ago ($500) - other than throwing in a bag or two of salt every now and then the system runs great. Clean the salt cell once or twice a year. Pretty low maintenance.

Live in greater Houston area. Pool is around 25,000 gallons.

To be perfectly honest I do not know much about salt water pools/ how to do this. We bought a house with a pool about 8 months ago which is our first experience with a pool.
Strongwind86
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Look at salt for chlorination. It's pretty straightforward.

Equipment will run you $1400 to $2000.
Amount of salt depends on how many gallons

Here's where I got my salt system

Circu Pool

I have an RJ-45 system for my 25,000 gallon pool.

RJ-45

I've had very good technical support on the unit - they are great answering questions and solving problems. Located in the Greater Houston area.
TxAg20
How long do you want to ignore this user?
08N.Ftw.Ag said:

Stenner pump hooked up through an auxiliary output on your current controller. Ideally an output that is setup so it won't turn on with the pump off...

I have something like this. The Stenner has its own backup battery for keeping time and schedule. I just pulled power from the pool panel so the Stenner pump doesn't have power if for some reason the pool pump loses power.

I ordered a 15 gallon plastic tank from Northern Tool and Stenner pump on ebay. Stenner pump came with everything except drill and tap to plumb into tank and pool pump discharge.
BDJ_AG
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Check out TroubleFreePool.com, lots of posts on this topic and generally a great community for pool maintenance questions.

https://www.troublefreepool.com/google-search/?q=stenner+pump
agcivengineer
How long do you want to ignore this user?
I use a rola-chem 303 liquid dispenser, along with a 35 gallon tank i pour chlorine in. Its connected to the main, so it only runs when the pump is on.
steve84
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Hasa Pool Liquidator C201 Chlorinator, 8 Gallon, 3/8" UPGRADED: this is what I use.

Purchased on Amazon. It is not the greatest quality, but fairly cheap. I have been using this with liquid chlorine (bleach) for about 10 years. I am on my second one so the first lasted about 7 years. It does take some work to keep it going, but it is the cheapest way to automatically feed liquid chlorine. If you are fairly handy, it is not too hard to keep it working.

I found the trouble free pool website years ago and switched from the pool chemical stores tablets, algicide, balance, etc. over to the BBB method, Bleach, Borax, and Baking soda. My pool water is much better (no more algae) on these chemicals and the cost is cheaper too. I try to use the 10% sodium hyperchlorite (pool shock) from walmart or atwoods for the best price by far. Buy the baking soda in the big bag from Sam's, and Borax is about the same everywhere. i did find that switching over to liquid bleach requires adding about a gallon of muriatic acid once a week to keep the pH correct.

I am not on such a tight budget now and plan to switch over to a metering and testing pump system to feed the chlorine and acid in the future. A fully charged Hasa system only lasts about 7-10 days and I hope to retire and travel soon and need something that would take care of itself for a few weeks instead.
ATXAdvisor
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Strongwind86 said:

ForeverAg said:

Are there better options or even a potential DIY option?
Any reason not to consider a salt system for chlorination in your pool?

I changed from the tablets to salt probably 10-12 years ago and never looked back. Replaced the salt cell once about 5 years ago ($500) - other than throwing in a bag or two of salt every now and then the system runs great. Clean the salt cell once or twice a year. Pretty low maintenance.

Live in greater Houston area. Pool is around 25,000 gallons.



One reason is that the salt eats rock and metal. I've had to replace all the stone around my pool and fencing twice before switching away from salt.
Post removed:
by user
steve84
How long do you want to ignore this user?
No, I dont have an alkalinity problem, I test it weekly myself. Sodium Hypochlorite pH is much higher than tablets, but I do have a small waterfall running constantly out of a hot tub with about a two foot drop. Before when I used the chlorine tablets and the same waterfall, I only needed about 10% of the acid I use now. Difference is the pH of the chlorine product.
Post removed:
by user
Absolute
How long do you want to ignore this user?
I recently added the Hasa Liquidator. Easy to I stall and seems to work very well.
agchino
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Plus one on searching trouble free pool on Stenner pumps. You can get one with a tank like this for $500-$600.

Stenner pump and reservoir

You'll have to do some research as to what flow rate you need and how you are going to hook it up (120VAC/240VAC, etc.) but there is a part number generator on the Stenner website for that.

part number
agcivengineer
How long do you want to ignore this user?
No. I am only putting in about 15 - 20 gallons at a time, havent seen a decline in pool chlorine levels as it ages.

The pH issue with liquid chlorine is as described by the poster above. The liquid chlorine has a higher pH, so i add acid as well weekly. Im adding about .5 - .75 gallons of acid per week. My alkalinity ranges from 60 - 80,
Strongwind86
How long do you want to ignore this user?
I've said it before....

It's not really a swimming pool... It's a bigass chemistry set.
steve84
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Jayelbee, you seem to be very knowledgeable. If you are offering to help me figure out why my acid demand is so high, I will gladly take it. I have been operating my pool for about 18 years, the last 10 using liquid chlorine. Here are some of my practices and observations:

  • I try to maintain a cl level of around 2, an alkalinity level around 90-110, and pH around 7.2, and the cyanuric acid stabilizer around 50.
  • Prior to liquid, I used the 3" tablets through a stacking tube erosion chlorinator. Seemed to maintain my cl levels ok, but always had algae and had to buy expensive non-foaming algicide to keep it in check. I discovered by researching BBB and verified by testing that the stabilizer level was tremendously excessive since it continued to add with the tablets. My pool store tested my water and never mentioned that the stabilizer was too high and thus, required higher and higher levels of cl to do the same work.
  • During this time, I rarely had to add acid, maybe 2-3 gallons per year.
  • When I switched to the liquid (I use the 10% pool variety), the algae problem went away and no more need for algicides and the cl level was easy to maintain and effective. Once I got the stabilizer at 50, it normally required no more attention except when heavy rainfall dilutes the concentration and I readjust it independently with cyanuric acid.
  • Demand for acid went up greatly with this switch, as I have had to add usually one gallon per week during times of heavy cl demand, usually 3+ gallons of chlorine per week during sunny and hot periods. I am trying to maintain 7.0-7.2 pH as recommended by my pool builder for the colored plaster I have. The day I test, my pH will be 8.0, I add the gallon of acid and it goes down to 7.2, returning to 8.0 the following week.
  • Alkalinity is fairly stable, 90-110, but I do add regular baking soda when it slips below this level, again usually after heavy rains.
  • My pool has a hot tub that is plumbed with it and total size is about 12000 gallons, so no large at all. I bought a big Taylor test kit and have been testing my water weekly for about 10 years. Results are fairly consistent and expected.
  • Notable is during the cooler and less light months, the acid demand drops in direct relation to the cl demand. I dont add much of either but try to maintain the chemistry balance throughout the year since we can isolate the hot tub and heat it only. It gets a lot of use in the winter. I have also on few occasions, used the 3" tablets to add stabilizer as needed. I have used them all up so I havent done this in several years as I used up all my stores.

So, as unlikely that I need that much acid may seem, I am going by test results and 10 years of direct experience,
Can you tell me what I need to do differently to reduce the amount of acid I am using? I have asked this same question to several informed folks, but have never gotten an answer.

My apologies to the OP for derailing your post. I did try to be helpful in describing what I used to feed liquid chlorine. I do think the other suggestions for the bulk storage and metering pumps are much better than what I am using, and hope to move that direction in the future. Perhaps my experience with going to liquid chlorine will also help those reading this post and help them with that decision. I did not go with salt water since we have a large amount of rock masonry used in and around the pool. Also have a lot of landscaping that I was concerned with. My concerns may not be relevant, however, but the information I have at the time has me still concerned. Even with the negative results of using the liquid chlorine I have experienced, I would still make the same decision to use it if only to stop declining effect of chlorine vs. the increased levels of stabilizer.
Apologies again.
Post removed:
by user
steve84
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Thanks for the info. I have never let the alkalinity go below 90, so I will let it go to 80 and see if it makes a difference. I hope it does, the muriatic acid is not cheap, and I have always wished I could somehow reduce the demand. In planning to replace the "Liquidator" with a pump, I just imagined that I would also have to add one for the acid. Hoping this will work so I dont have to.

Thanks again.

nortex97
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Ok, so stupid question; why do you need a dispenser if pouring the bottle out slowly over a minute or so, and the pump is running, in front of a return jet?
steve84
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Not a stupid question at all. You certainly can add liquid chlorine manually, and the way you describe will work fine. When I first made the switch, I did it exactly this way for several months before I was convinced to change permanently. It wont take long before you get a good feel on how much and how often to add to keep cl in the range you are needing.
agcivengineer
How long do you want to ignore this user?
This way i dont have to be home everyday...or even every week and the pump will still add chlorine for me. Vacation, work travel, etc the pool is still getting chlorine.

Ive thought about adding an acid pump as well. Still doing that manually about 3 times per week when home (tues -20 oz, Thurs - 20 oz, then sunday - 30 oz)
agcivengineer
How long do you want to ignore this user?
I have a pebbletec finish and try to follow trouble free pool guidance. So my level targets are:

With cya @ 40,
CL 4-6 ppm
TA 60 to 80 (i add baking soda when TA gets to 60)
pH 7.4 to 7.8. I add 20 - 30 oz of acid 2 to 3 times per week.
steve84
How long do you want to ignore this user?
agcivengineer said:

I have a pebbletec finish and try to follow trouble free pool guidance. So my level targets are:

With cya @ 40,
CL 4-6 ppm
TA 60 to 80 (i add baking soda when TA gets to 60)
pH 7.4 to 7.8. I add 20 - 30 oz of acid 2 to 3 times per week.

Interesting. I was still using ranges from my builder's recommendation for a traditional dark plaster pool from 2004 combined with what I learned from trouble free pools research. We replastered last year with pebbletec, so we have that in common (really like the pebbletec by the way).

I may try to experiment with your target ranges to see if the acid demand goes down. 60-90 oz is better than the gallon I use per week. Do you know the gallon capacity of your pool? That would be another comparison I could consider.

Sorry again to the OP for stealing your thread. I am learning a lot, hopefully the discussion helps others.
agcivengineer
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Im about 21,000 gallons.
BDJ_AG
How long do you want to ignore this user?
I use LC and target similar numbers to agcivengineer although I don't have pebbletec

CL - 3 to 5
CYA - 40 to 50
TA - 80 to 90
PH - 7.5 to 7.8

You may find that trying to maintain a PH of 7.6 or so is a lot easier to do than getting it all the way down to 7.2.
steve84
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Thanks to all. I appreciate your willingness to help and will try the new ranges and see what happens.
steve84
How long do you want to ignore this user?
I was very interested in this post, and got some helpful input from jayelbee. I thought I would post an update in case anyone else was interested, and also to thank jayelbee for his insight.

To review, you can see my posts above, but to cover the main points, we were discussing my need to add acid to my pool after switching to liquid chlorine. I have had my pool for about 17 years and have been using the liquid chlorine for around the last 10. Based on recommendations from the original pool builder, I was maintaining cl at 2, pH at 7.2, and alkalinity at 90-120. These levels required at least a gallon of muriatic acid to keep the pH at that level.

The suggestion was to change the pH goal to 7.5 roughly and the alkalinity at 60 +/. After doing so, my demand for the acid is 1/3 to 1/2 of what I was using before, and the baking soda for alkalinity is also about the same reduction. The pool water clarity has not changed, and I can see no negative changes. I will continue to monitor, but I have managed to reduce my chemical costs as a result.

Thanks again for the good ideas and advice.
JeremiahJohnson
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Find a Walchem timed controller and Pulsafeeder self gassing pump. Cheap set up that I use in industrial water treatment.

You could easily integrate 2 pumps and pH meter to control you pH and chlorine. I have used dozens of similar set ups in small cooling towers.
Post removed:
by user
ChipFTAC01
How long do you want to ignore this user?
I have nothing to add to this (don't have nor want a pool) other than I went to a pitch night last week for startup companies. There was a guy there pitching his company called Clyr. He's developed a pretty nifty sensor that fits down in your skimmer and constantly checks your pool chemistry and through their app you can view all of your levels.

I think their next phase of development is a CO2 pump that will go inkine to your system to keep the chlorine happy rather than needing to dump in additional Chlorine or muratic acid. But I don't know or understand any pool. Chemistry
CSTXAg92
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Phin is a company that does something like that^ with a wireless sensor that floats in you pool and monitors chemical levels continuously.

https://www.phin.co/

Post removed:
by user
JeremiahJohnson
How long do you want to ignore this user?
I doubt they are very accurate. pH meters need to be calibrated regularly
Page 1 of 2
 
×
subscribe Verify your student status
See Subscription Benefits
Trial only available to users who have never subscribed or participated in a previous trial.