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Didn't see this anywhere on here, SIAP.

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I watched that earlier... its a miracle that he is alive. Scott is a great YouTuber who puts out really great content and seems like a genuinely nice guy; hopefully, he heals quickly and gets back in the swing of things.
Mr. Frodo
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Holy sheet batman! That is one lucky dude. Quick and smart thinking by him and his dad.
powerbelly
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I guess a good lesson on shooting rounds of unknown origins.
New Boot Goofin
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Googley moogley
P.H. Dexippus
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Wow. Praise God that he's alive. It's a miracle the impact of the cap didn't knock him unconscious causing him to bleed out.
tamc93
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Wow. Hope everyone watches the entire video.
Cassius
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Wow. Crazy. Glad he made it!
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BCOBQ98
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So he said it was a hot round? I know most rifle rounds it's difficult to overcharge them maybe not so with the 50 Cal?
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BCOBQ98 said:

So he said it was a hot round? I know most rifle rounds it's difficult to overcharge them maybe not so with the 50 Cal?
Depends on the powder used
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This. 100 times. That's why there is loading manuals. Wrong powder overcharged and pushing up daisies or blind, deaf and maimed.
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Scary story. Glad he made it. I never ever shoot ammunition of unknown source / origin. Never a doubt. Years ago my dad had his 30-'06's trusty cross hairs on a beautiful buck on the lease outside of Dogtown on Hwy 72. Happened to be trying some loads that my Uncle had passed along. Pfft. He wasn't even sure the squib left the barrel so he didn't attempt another shot.
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FamousAgg
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Good reminder that tourniquets aren't the end all be all. You need to know how to use/apply pressure and also possibly pack a wound if necessary.

Please look into a local "stop the bleed" class. It could save your life or a loved one.
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Amazing story.

I know a hot round could cause that. However he also mentions he had a lot of rounds through the rifle. Combine fatigue on those threads with some corrosion and yeah the threads could fail as well.
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Scott has been responding to different social media posts that are re-posting his original story. Eric of iraqveteran8888 made a post that made some speculations about what may have happened - Scott responded that he is certain that he did not have a barrel obstruction, since the previous round he fired was lodged in the fire hydrant he was using as a target. He is pretty certain that the last 3 SLAP rounds he fired, the two before the one that exploded that went wildly off-target and the one that exploded, are probably counterfeit rounds that someone made to look like surplus SLAP rounds.

This is a great reason why you should never buy someone else's reloads, but obviously, he had no way of knowing someone had produced counterfeit rounds...
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Dumb question here: what does a slap round do??
FamousAgg
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Slaps the **** out of whatever it hits...

Stands for saboted light armor penetrator (SLAP)

Basically it's a smaller diameter projectile than the bore, it allows for a smaller, lighter round to move faster, and better sectional density (weight to area ratio)

Chetos
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He shows the bullet from the prior shot but how does he know the bore reducing sleeve wasn't stuck in barrel?

Either way , dude and his dad are real bad arses to survive that.
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Chetos said:

He shows the bullet from the prior shot but how does he know the bore reducing sleeve wasn't stuck in barrel?

Either way , dude and his dad are real bad arses to survive that.
The round he shot prior to the one that caused the explosion was not a SLAP round, it was an armor-piercing incendiary tracer round, which is a "typical" 50 BMG load that does not have a sabot. There would be nothing in the barrel after shooting that round, because other than the copper jacket, there's nothing it could really leave behind. If anything, incendiary rounds sometimes ignite prior to hitting the target, but that typically happens after it leaves the barrel.

And given the way the rifle dismantled itself, it leads me to believe the pressure was entirely contained in the chamber, which is what caused the breach cap to sheer off, and sent the barrel assembly flying forwards. Typically on barrel obstructions, you see significant barrel damage. This explosion caused the weakest part of the assembly, the threads on the breach cap, to fail, which to me seems to show that the explosion happened in the chamber, not the barrel.
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Good point, plugged barrels fail near the plug ... missed the detail about the prior round not being slap...


definitely a reminder to have a good emergency response plan and first aide for Any scenario
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i watched his video yesterday of what happened and i had the below takeaways:

1. have an emergency plan in place in the case of accidents. both hunting and recreational shooting
2. know cpr / first aid. cpr wasnt needed, but him plugging the hole in his throat saved his life.
3. stay awake! youre dead if you pass out
4. be one tough mother****er


glad so see hes still with us
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TexDill15
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Thanks for response! And the humor!!
Cassius
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I'll always wear safety glasses from now on. I admit I haven't always been diligent about doing that.
SCQ
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Likewise on the safety glasses!
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Came across this response video earlier today. Explanation is in the first 12 minutes. Don't know a ton about the guy offering it up, but he seems very knowledgeable.
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Got a little Army story for you Ags...

Afghanistan 2010 as a company commander one of my unit armorers (Staff Sergeant - E6) decides to put a .50 cal round in a vice to take it apart for some reason and was apparently banging on it with a blunt object.

Problem was we were attached to an Aviation unit and it was an AP incendiary round I believe.

So, it basically blew up in his face and he had shrapnel wounds across his upper body but luckily missed anything critical on his face.

I was tasked to go to the hospital to wish him well, and unfortunately initiate the Article 15 to bust his rank down.

Smart guy and was my Safety NCO so surprising, but he survived and eventually earned the rank back.
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The man himself.

lexofer
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Yeah on the other YouTube channels I've seen whenever they shoot a SLAP round they always take off the muzzle brake first.
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Even Mausers fail with enough pressure in the chamber, I don't know why anyone would stick a round they know can be a bit too hot period, and get counterfeited WAY to hot, in the pipe.

Cool concept, just an accident in waiting.
FamousAgg
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Another good analysis this time by Ian AKA "Gun Jesus" of Forgotten Weapons

Eliminatus
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Mark Serbu released another video and even though I was already 95% leading towards ammo, this pretty much confirmed it in my eyes. Plastic buildup, yes, can happen but Occams Razor points to terrible reloads. I may/may not have known someone who sold a few almost a decade ago for $75 a piece and there was a bidding war for even back then and the winner was damn glad to pay it. Nowadays, these go for $100+ A ROUND.



Now, looking at some of the pictures that Scott released, I am personally certain (without holding physical stuff in my hands of course) that these are reloads. Look at the brass. That blackening screams already fired brass to me. You don't get that kind of discoloring just from annealing in my experience. I also know that SLAP projos have been on the market for years now. I looked at some myself about 5 years ago when I first got into reloading.



Just to double check, I dug through my own personal photos. These are brand new SLAP rounds from the factory. Look at the necks.



Though it was amusing to see all the gun dudes jumping at the chance to say their opinion, my own personal hands on experience with SLAP rounds and a love for reloading past several years again has me convinced bad reloads. Also confirms that old shooting and reloading adage, "Don't trust your ammo unless factory or made yourself." So this is case closed kinda confirmation for me. Yall?



ETA: Pics were not agreeing with TA for some reason and took several tries.
powerbelly
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It always seemed like bad reloads to me
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In reply to outofstateaggie

That guy is an odd bird for sure but an absolute savant on long range precision shooting and all things centerfire related. He's got a good channel and well respected in the gun community. Though he always looks a mess. He does really good scope reviews.
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