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JimbloFisher
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I'm in the market for my first shotgun. I'd primarily use it for clay shooting about once a month, and maybe hunting once or twice a year.

I really like O/Us, but I don't want to spend a whole lot (<$1k) based on how much infrequently I'll be using it. I've read that going cheap on O/Us doesn't work out though, and anything from Benelli, Beretta, and Browning would be expensive. Anybody have experience with the CZ Teal? I've read mixed things.

If I were to go semi auto I'm looking at the A300, but I shoot left-handed. I know the safety is reversible but would the eject be a problem?
tamc93
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They make left handed shotguns, but harder to find.

Personally I would still look at a good O/U.

Also think about the gauge you want and your other uses in the future.
mm98
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My Yildiz works fine fire clay shoots.

Chamonix
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No experience with the CZ teal but their are plenty of good used shotguns on the market. I dont usually recommend used rifles but I don't have a problems with a used shotgun provided it isn't totally used up
Southpaw 07
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If you're actually shooting a round of clays monthly, you have a decent case for a good O/U. I'm a lefty and would recommend Browning over Beretta due to the cast of the stock. Browning is a neutral cast, Beretta seems to favor righties.

If you don't want to spring for an O/U, look at the Browning BPS, it's bottom eject.

At a lower price point than Browning/Beretta, I've heard good things about CZ's O/U's but I've never handled or shot one.
EFE
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Just ran my new CZ Drake through a sporting clays course this afternoon. Very happy with it. My understanding is that the teal has ejectors vs the drakes extractors. It's not a Perrazi/Krieghoff/Blaser, but if you want something solid to knock down birds or clays, you're in the right spot.
BenderRodriguez
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Left handed shooter here, my A400 is not an issue to shoot lefty. An A300 won't be either.

I love my CZ for quail once or twice a year plus the occasional clays course, but would trust the Beretta to hold up better to lots of shooting.

Just my opinion from a guy who has both kinds you're looking at.

Also seen some decent used OUs for sale (beretta, etc) in the 1200-1500 range. Might keep an eye out at your local shops if you're really wanting a quality OU.
zachsccr
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As a lefty also, I will always second the BPS. I love mine.

I've gotten so used to right handed guns that last week when I shot my left handed rifle I was confused for a second when the casing ejected way from me.
Milwaukees Best Light
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Your first shotgun should be an 870, or mossberg pump.
cledus6150
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I'm a Browning Citori fan, I have a couple of them. That being said I picked up a used CZ swamp magnum I found for the right price. Always wanted an OU for waterfowl hunting, so far I have not had any issues with it. Though before I ever brought it to the field I did have the auto safety mechanism removed and had a mid bead added!
DrEvazanPhD
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mm98 said:

My Yildiz works fine fire clay shoots.




+1 for the yildiz
96ags
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As a lefty, I'd recommend you don't worry about the shell ejection. It really becomes something you don't notice. In addition, if you learn to shoot RH shotguns to begin with, you will have a lot more options to choose from.

I wouldn't shy away from the lower priced O/U's like Yildez and CZ. They are perfectly fine for what they are. I have a Yildez and it gets used as much or more than much more expensive guns it shares the safe with.

Bottom line, get yourself something you will shot and enjoy. You can always get a safe queen later on.

AggieGunslinger
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I am of the belief that your first shotgun should be a gas operated semi auto. Browning, Beretta, Benelli are the main contenders but there are other such as CZ, Weatherby, etc. that will fit the bill, don't be afraid of a used gun. The Beretta A300/A350 are fantastic first shotguns, they are soft shooters that will cycle anything you throw in them, the action is time tested.

I think an O/U is a bad choice for a first gun and 95% of the shells I shoot in a year are shot out of O/Us.
AggieMarkSA
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+2 for the yildiz. Mine has been reliable, and i've put a lot of rounds through it. If you're in Houston, briley does the warranty work. Only downside is the weight. It's a light gun, and the 12 gauge can pound on you when shooting clays.
SoTxAg
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My son uses a yildiz 20g and never had any issues.
mm98
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I got the steel 12ga for that reason. It feels just heavy enough for me.

Mine was $450 on sale. I feel for the price it was a no brained and it I start hitting 90% or higher I can talk myself into a new gun. But if I'm hitting 90% I may not want to
JobSecurity
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Any opinions on the Stoeger M3000 or M3k? I'd use it for clays but have always wanted to do 3 gun and this seems like an easily upgradeable platform
JimbloFisher
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AggieGunslinger said:

I think an O/U is a bad choice for a first gun and 95% of the shells I shoot in a year are shot out of O/Us.

Appreciate the input and am wondering if you could expand on that? Not doubting you, just curious what makes it a bad choice? Thanks!
BenderRodriguez
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Just to vouch for another guy online, I shot the CCMU clays tournament with AggieGunslinger and after watching him shoot would gladly take any advice he has to give on shotgunning.
WildcatAg
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greatdane said:

AggieGunslinger said:

I think an O/U is a bad choice for a first gun and 95% of the shells I shoot in a year are shot out of O/Us.

Appreciate the input and am wondering if you could expand on that? Not doubting you, just curious what makes it a bad choice? Thanks!
I'm not Aggiegunslinger but my guess would be his reasons are two fold:

1) a semi auto is softer shooting and most of them come from the factory more easy to fit to the shooter (e.g. the drop and shim kits). If not not a question of "does it hurt to shoot" recoils affects everyone. A semi-auto helps you to manage it better. Once you get your fundamentals down you can be more consistent in your mount. A gun that fits you is much more fun to shoot (i.e. it recoils less and you hit more with it).

2) a quality semi-auto is significantly less expensive than a quality O/U. At the less than $1,000 price point you will get a much higher quality semi-auto than an O/U. A Beretta A300/A350/A400 is an outstanding gun. People at the top levels of the sport shoot them.

Welcome to clays! It is a lot of fun. If you get into it you will learn that the shotgun is one of the less expensive components. If you decide you want an O/U later you will have plenty of opportunities to try them out and figure out which one you like.

Just my $0.02

AggieGunslinger
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A modern semi-auto is one of the most versatile guns on the planet. The gas action is dependable and does a great job of reducing felt recoil. You can switch between 2.75" 1oz 1150fps skeet shells and 3.5" 1.5oz 1450fps goose shells without any drop off in reliability. You can take the plug out of the gun and carry 5+ shots for pheasant and geese, you can swap to a rifled barrel and shoot slugs at big northern deer. If/when they do break, almost all the parts are easy to find and even easier to swap out yourself. They are typically better foul weather guns than most O/Us. As WildcatAg mentioned, they are much much easier to fit to the shooter thanks to shims and you get more bang for your buck. A $700 A-300 is a better quality gun than any $700 o/u you might find. Budget O/Us have a big following and rightly so, they fill a niche that the consumer market obviously wanted. Across the whole line, budget O/Us will break down more often than a similarly priced semi-auto because O/Us are harder to make on a budget. There is a reason that Ruger has twice failed to sell an American made O/U with a price point of $1000 or less, so badly that they won't even warranty parts for the older ones. There are a lot of guys who swear by there budget O/Us, and they have no reason to doubt other wise. If you are going to shoot 3 or 4 hundred shells a year through it, it will last more than a few years before it needs parts. However a normal Saturday at the range for me and most clay shooters is somewhere between 250 and 500 shells, they won't hold up to that kind of beating long term, but the semi-auto will. However there are exceptions to every rule, on both sides of the argument.

Semi-autos do have some downsides. Over their lifetime you will need to replace more parts than if you bought a quality o/u, you will need to clean them more often, some models have little quirks to get them completely broken down, they typically don't balance as well and thus don't swing/point as well, I would argue that most don't shoulder as well either.

If you already had a semi-auto and were looking for a more clay sports focused gun then I would absolutely recommend you get a decent O/U, but as a 1st shotgun, the semi is always my recommendation.

You are the only one that can decide what is right for your needs, if you decide that you really want a dedicated clays gun then give me shout and I am happy to lead you down a rabbit trail that ends with you filling out credit check paperwork and being put on a payment plan for a freaking shotgun.

I will get down off my soap box but that is my two cents. You might want a refund.

Thanks for the kind words Bender.
Dirty-8-thirty Ag
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A good gun to get might be the BPS, it ejects from the bottom, so a left handed or right handed person will he fine shooting it.
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