Anyone have experience with these dogs? We are considering getting one. We've done our research and know they are energetic and need training, but we don't know anyone with personal experience.

If they're a treeing breed I would bet they are noisy, baying types.

They look suspiciously like a Plott hound.

Either way, if you get a hunting hound you'd better give him a job.

SAWgunner said:

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They look suspiciously like a Plott hound.

Either way, if you get a hunting hound you'd better give him a job.

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They are bred from the plott hound. I believe they were bred to be a little smaller.

aggiespartan said:

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SAWgunner said:

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They look suspiciously like a Plott hound.

Either way, if you get a hunting hound you'd better give him a job.

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They are bred from the plott hound. I believe they were bred to be a little smaller.

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You going to use this dog for hunting?

Unless you have a lot space a lot of time, and preferably both, hounds like this can be nightmares to own.

SAWgunner said:

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aggiespartan said:

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SAWgunner said:

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They look suspiciously like a Plott hound.

Either way, if you get a hunting hound you'd better give him a job.

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They are bred from the plott hound. I believe they were bred to be a little smaller.

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You going to use this dog for hunting?

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husband plans to

Yelnick McWawa said:

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Unless you have a lot space a lot of time, and preferably both, hounds like this can be nightmares to own.

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This. They have to be in the woods, a lot.

I have Coonhounds and they are great pets regardless of if they hunt or not. But I would recommend having a bark collar handy for training. It also helps to have neighbors that don't put their compost pile or composter on the fence line like two of my neighbors do, they attract possums and coons like you wouldn't believe and makes for some entertaining 3 am mornings.

Brindle is a color type. FWIW. They call it that because they are all brindle?

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But I would recommend having a bark collar handy for training.

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This x infinity.

We used to live by a neighbor that had four or six hunting dogs. We lived in a fairly rural area. Those damn dogs would bark at all hours of the night, keeping me up all night.

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Brindle is a color type. FWIW. They call it that because they are all brindle?

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Yes. The breed name is Treeing Tennessee Brindle. They are all brindles but some are pretty dark. They aren't a very common breed. AKC link to breed

I reached out to someone that I trust on this. This is still basically a Plott, more or less. Sort of how a "Silver Lab" is not really a thing. I mean, it is and it isn't.

If you are looking for a treeing dog, you can do better, especially for Texas. I strongly recommend a
Treeing Walker (There is also a Running Walker). They are typically not as big/beefy as a bluetick/redbone/bloodhound and typically can do better in warmer weather. They are also, typically,
white with variations of spots on them, which helps if you are in the sun/heat.

Plotts tend to not do as well in dry/arid regions. My dad ran hounds for 60+years and he had a strong dislike for Plotts in TX. EXCEPT for when you are running hogs, which does not take much of a hound to sniff out. (The use of Pitts and Dogos was not around when my dad was running hounds in his prime. That came along later. Also, there were not nearly as many hogs in those days so you needed hounds to locate them)

My friends in NM that run Bear and Mt. Lions use them but they have the advantage of snow/moisture and the fact that a Bear puts off a hell of a lot of scent. I went last weekend with them and we treed 2 bear in 3days. We called off a race on the 3rd day because it was a mama with cubs. Those, however, are dogs that get used/trained a lot and in a lot more moisture.

So, based on a fair amount of experience, if you are looking for a hunting hound that you will seriously hunt with, I'd look to a more proven breed.

We aren't really looking for a champion hunter, but if it's a hunting dog, we will take it out and let him/her do his thing, although the pups we are looking at has parents that are good squirrel/coon dogs.

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Sort of how a "Silver Lab" is not really a thing. I mean, it is and it isn't.

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Weren't all modern breeds the same in the not too distant past? Isn't that how a new breed is started?

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Google issues that Silver Labs have. Most are badly inbred to keep that color and, as such, tend to have health issues fairly early. Of course, this can happen in any breed but this one appears to me prone to it.

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Sort of how a "Silver Lab" is not really a thing. I mean, it is and it isn't.

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Weren't all modern breeds the same in the not too distant past? Isn't that how a new breed is started?

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Google issues that Silver Labs have. Most are badly inbred to keep that color and, as such, tend to have health issues fairly early. Of course, this can happen in any breed but this one appears to me prone to it.

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I have an acquaintance selling 10 silver lab puppies for $1500 right now. The dogs she breeds seem like great dogs, but that was a little more than we wanted to pay for a puppy.

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Sort of how a "Silver Lab" is not really a thing. I mean, it is and it isn't.

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Weren't all modern breeds the same in the not too distant past? Isn't that how a new breed is started?

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Google issues that Silver Labs have. Most are badly inbred to keep that color and, as such, tend to have health issues fairly early. Of course, this can happen in any breed but this one appears to me prone to it.

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Aren't mutts the healthiest? All breeds were created and maintained by inbreeding, hence the higher rate of problems with purebred dogs.

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Of course. But most of the current fad of designer dogs aren't far enough removed from their origins to be a breed yet. Right now they are focused on the traits they want and generally lack genetic diversity. An established breed has established that over generations and hundred(s) of years

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Of course. But most of the current fad of designer dogs aren't far enough removed from their origins to be a breed yet. Right now they are focused on the traits they want and generally lack genetic diversity. An established breed has established that over generations and hundred(s) of years

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That's interesting. How do "established" breeds acquire genetic diversity over time? Wouldn't they actually lose diversity unless they're being crossbred with other breeds?

Also, most breeds don't go back more than 150 years. The GSP (I've had 2 and love them), for example only goes back to the 19th century, and most U.S. dogs are descendants of only a handful that were brought here as rescues from Germany after WW 2. On top of that genetic bottleneck, many breeders practice "line breeding", which is another way of saying in-breeding, in order to bring out certain traits that they find desirable. The problem with that is that genetics isn't an exact science and "line breeding" also inevitably results in further genetic loss and imprinting of problems with the breed.

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I am not an expert! And mutations can go both ways. Shrink or diversify. GSP...the first registered stud was in 1872 but they had been around before that.

My point is that if we have a wide number of breeders crossing for a "golden doodle" and then eventually they start breeding golden doodles to each other...and they eventually get a standard to breed consistent....after a hundred years you will have hundreds of lines. In many cases the more "inbred" with bad traits will stop being bred and the more vigorous lines will win out. (obviously doesn't always work). Yes the line breeding can cause issues. It is a delicate balance and some people chasing puppy sales $$ don't care.

My main point is that I think in 5...or 10 more dog generations the "breeds" of silver labs and goldendoodles will be a healthier group. right now silver labs have issues because they are focused on color and not good dogs. golden doodles are still just crosses really so that one might take longer.

I had a Tennessee Treeing Brindle as a foster dog earlier this summer. She was a great dog, but definitely needed daily walks and enrichment, thanks to COVID, I had plenty of time to do so. We only had her for about a month before she was adopted by another family, but it was interesting while it lasted. I wasn't terribly sad to see her go as she was a lot of dog to manage, but I enjoyed the experience.

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I had a Tennessee Treeing Brindle as a foster dog earlier this summer. She was a great dog, but definitely needed daily walks and enrichment, thanks to COVID, I had plenty of time to do so. We only had her for about a month before she was adopted by another family, but it was interesting while it lasted. I wasn't terribly sad to see her go as she was a lot of dog to manage, but I enjoyed the experience.

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Sooooo, checks out?