Hey guys, us there a good template online for a f2f firearm bill of sale?? TIA!

TGT has one

https://texasguntrader.com/billofsale.pdf

I'd make sure in your ad you mention you require a buyer to sign a bill of sale. Some people are very against that.

Thank you !

I've also been using that one for years. If person will not sign it, no sale!

Fellow Ag is buying. He's good with it

I'm never against CYA on a private transaction, but I've always been confused how a bill of sale would protect the seller.

As a buyer, I'd quickly require a copy in duplicate so the seller couldn't turn around and claim the item stolen. ...or even if the item was actually stolen sometime in its history, to prove I purchased in good faith and the trail moves on to the seller.

When i sell firearms i always have a BOS, print one out for me and one out for the buyer. I see it as a good CYA.

If the weapon is used in a crime, after I sell it, I have a paper trail to show it was not in my possession and someone else is next in line on the hook. That's what it does for me.

TexasRebel said:

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I'm never against CYA on a private transaction, but I've always been confused how a bill of sale would protect the seller.

As a buyer, I'd quickly require a copy in duplicate so the seller couldn't turn around and claim the item stolen. ...or even if the item was actually stolen sometime in its history, to prove I purchased in good faith and the trail moves on to the seller.

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I always provide one to the buyer and keep one for my records.

I wonder if that would hold up.

Could a person not print out a BOS for every firearm they have with random names & addresses from the phone book? Fake or real, the next line will likely be "I've never met this person and didn't buy that firearm."

What the burden of proof of possession for a firearm that isn't in your possession.

On the other hand, if a person is intent on setting you up, after they purchase the arm and commit the crime, then sneak the firearm back into your possession... what is a BOS going to do when you still appear to own it?

TexasRebel said:

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I wonder if that would hold up.

Could a person not print out a BOS for every firearm they have with random names & addresses from the phone book? Fake or real, the next line will likely be "I've never met this person and didn't buy that firearm."

What the burden of proof of possession for a firearm that isn't in your possession.

On the other hand, if a person is intent on setting you up, after they purchase the arm and commit the crime, then sneak the firearm back into your possession... what is a BOS going to do when you still appear to own it?

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The number of times this has happened in the history of the world? Zero, one?

powerbelly said:

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TexasRebel said:

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I wonder if that would hold up.

Could a person not print out a BOS for every firearm they have with random names & addresses from the phone book? Fake or real, the next line will likely be "I've never met this person and didn't buy that firearm."

What the burden of proof of possession for a firearm that isn't in your possession.

On the other hand, if a person is intent on setting you up, after they purchase the arm and commit the crime, then sneak the firearm back into your possession... what is a BOS going to do when you still appear to own it?

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The number of times this has happened in the history of the world? Zero, one?

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Likely more times than the flag pole in Tal's hill saved a homerun.

I'm just wondering exactly how useful the BOS is for the CYA on the seller side, and if useful at all what information is absolutely imperative to be sure it's useful.

TexasRebel said:

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powerbelly said:

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TexasRebel said:

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I wonder if that would hold up.

Could a person not print out a BOS for every firearm they have with random names & addresses from the phone book? Fake or real, the next line will likely be "I've never met this person and didn't buy that firearm."

What the burden of proof of possession for a firearm that isn't in your possession.

On the other hand, if a person is intent on setting you up, after they purchase the arm and commit the crime, then sneak the firearm back into your possession... what is a BOS going to do when you still appear to own it?

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The number of times this has happened in the history of the world? Zero, one?

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Likely more times than the flag pole in Tal's hill saved a homerun.

I'm just wondering exactly how useful the BOS is for the CYA on the seller side, and if useful at all what information is absolutely imperative to be sure it's useful.

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So you think a stranger uses my gun to commit a crime, then finds my house, then sneaks in, then cracks the code on my gun safe, and returns the weapon is in any way likely.

Why would it have to be in the safe? Just in your possession.

Whats probable and whats possible? Its possible that I could marry Megan Fox, but not very probable.

I disagree with this. I don't require a bill of sale when selling and I don't sign a bill of sale. In my opinion trying to restrict the perfectly legal selling of firearms face to face. If it was used in a crime they would come talk to you then ask where were you and this day and time not a problem they could ping my phone or a million other ways to know I wasn't there. I bet the only reason they come talk to you is to see if they can add another charge to the person for possibly stealing.

That said I am pretty particular who I sell to and don't sell ar's but who would sell an ar??

I guess if the guys I am dealing with go to the trouble of making a fake DL also, sure, I could be duped.

But I have many more things to worry about than that. Part of the bill of sale mentions that the buyer attests that they are legally allowed to own a gun. Not sure how that part would hold up either, but seems to be a damned sight more than if you didn't bother to ask, and they didn't happen to mention they were a felon?

Personally, I think if someone here advertises a firearm for sale and agrees to meet the buyer for the transaction, they should be up front beforehand that they want a bill of sale to be signed to complete said transaction.
I have bought several from y'all and had a paper thrust into my face twice with no heads up. Completed the transaction with one guy without signing and walked away from another. I don't mind showing someone my LTC if it helps. Even let them memorize some info. But I hate signing stuff.

oklaunion said:

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Personally, I think if someone here advertises a firearm for sale and agrees to meet the buyer for the transaction, they should be up front beforehand that they want a bill of sale to be signed to complete said transaction.
I have bought several from y'all and had a paper thrust into my face twice with no heads up. Completed the transaction with one guy without signing and walked away from another. I don't mind showing someone my LTC if it helps. Even let them memorize some info. But I hate signing stuff.

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I agree. What is the point of buying used firearms if I have to fill out paperwork. Might as well buy new if that is required. I will usually pay their full asking price if I don't have to do paperwork. I have an ltc as well wouldn't mind showing it, but not signing anything.