I saw this sign yesterday from a distance and immediately thought the worst. When I got closer, I was pleasantly surprised.

I support this.

Lometa School

Wish these were mandatory and true at all schools in the US. Also, wish more that they weren't needed, but that ship sailed long ago!

Should have used the AR with the chainsaw attachment.

Pure insanity that most teachers who can carry around kids every night and weekend at the grocery store, the movie theater, the shopping mall, etc can't protect the little ones they teach every day at work.

Wish more school districts understood that.

How about just letting staff be able to protect THEMSELVES? They deserve that right. If they protect others (which they will), great. Empower women to protect themselves.

The "gun free" designation needs to be removed from schools. And everywhere else.

Iola Schools have this in Grimes County.

Number 3 has always kind of been the kicker for me. Like I'm all for defending yourself in any situation, I just want to make sure when the good guys show up they know I'm on their team (or at least not a bad guy).

Stoneman Douglas had cops on campus too.

I love when people (even cops) subscribe to the magical boundary theory around schools that somehow things happen differently on campus. Cops respond to calls every single day where there might be a law abiding citizen responding to violence with a gun. They have a pretty good track record of not immediately gunning down anyone and everyone at every crime they respond to, but when it's on campus suddenly they're incapable of doing anything but lighting up anyone they see? Come on.

Besides, when the cops get there in two to however many minutes, either I'll be down or the shooter will be. My gun will either be already put up or it won't be my problem anymore.

Either way...strongly disagree.

When the police arrive, you can, um, reholster and comply with orders.

So, police told you that when they respond to an active shooter call that they turn it into a free fire zone. Good training.

When seconds count, police are minutes away.

Irish_Man said:

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Our sheriffs dept, dps and local police said don't let your teachers carry for three reasons.

1). Two cops stay on campus all day
2). Three police depts can be there in two minutes
3). Police will kill everyone with a gun and won't ask questions whether you're a teacher or shooter.


Once they said this, the discussion was over.

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Police are incompetent idiots and can't be trusted to handle anything the right way. Any kind of "warning" like that from a local police department should be ignored.

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Are they armed with LOLPOOR AR15 like in the sign?

Yall need to get those folks hooked up with some tacticool stuff.

Teachers have the minimum amount of flare. They need more flare!

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Irish_Man said:

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Our sheriffs dept, dps and local police said don't let your teachers carry for three reasons.

1). Two cops stay on campus all day
2). Three police depts can be there in two minutes
3). Police will kill everyone with a gun and won't ask questions whether you're a teacher or shooter.


Once they said this, the discussion was over.

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You should move to a location with competent police then. This argument has no factual basis as evidenced by the lack of statistics supporting it. If your cops are the only ones in the world not competent enough then gtfo of that town.

The second reason is also ridiculous. The cops can be there and sit in the parking lot for 15+ minutes awaiting the plan just like Sandy Hook and Columbine and Virginia Tech and every other school shooting.

Irish_Man said:

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Our sheriffs dept, dps and local police said don't let your teachers carry for three reasons.

1). Two cops stay on campus all day
2). Three police depts can be there in two minutes
3). Police will kill everyone with a gun and won't ask questions whether you're a teacher or shooter.


Once they said this, the discussion was over.

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Say... the on campus cops get hit first.... then how long will it take for the police to respond. Just because they CAN be there in two minutes, doesn't mean that they will. On top of that, when engaging an active threat, it's not like the cops are going to use native american invincible war paint to protect them and go in guns blazing, they will need to take their time to respond appropriately. Does no one any good to go in guns blazing and either shoot the wrong person or get shot themselves as they are responding.

So,with obviously going to take more than just two minutes to genuinely respond, how many others will be killed? Now, if some teachers were armed, how many might be saved in the meantime?

The reps for your local law enforcement are, to put it mildly, not telling the entire truth. To be a little more direct, their line of reasoning is likely to get someone killed.

So your cops stated that they plan to abandon the training they received and use every day in order to nail home a political opinion and not a single person pointed this out?

If that's how they roll, leadership's heads need to roll as well.

Irish_Man said:

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Our sheriffs dept, dps and local police said don't let your teachers carry for three reasons.

1). Two cops stay on campus all day
2). Three police depts can be there in two minutes
3). Police will kill everyone with a gun and won't ask questions whether you're a teacher or shooter.


Once they said this, the discussion was over.

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That's so dumb it seems like only a Kardashian would say something so stupid.

Same police academy:

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I have no idea what their training is
They just said whoever has a firearm will be killed in the event of a school shooting.

That was the end of that discussion.

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And surprise that they were allowed to get away with that and not questioned regarding that policy.

Irish_Man said:

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I have no idea what their training is
They just said whoever has a firearm will be killed in the event of a school shooting.

That was the end of that discussion.

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Not a single person asked them about the 17-18 million people in the USA with handgun licenses that interact with daily and supposedly don't kill on sight? Hell, you don't even need a license in Texas for your home or vehicle. Are they just gunning down everyone they pull over with a gun in your town?

And everyone just went " Oh, that makes sense" and went home?!?

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Once they said this, the discussion was over.

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Once they said that, that discussion was done.

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That was the end of that discussion.

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You've used this phrase a lot in this thread. Dont let it be the end of the debate. Cops arent the end all, be all that unfortunately a lot of them think they are. Keep the discussion rolling and be the person that helps implement better ideas and policies.

Many other posters have covered why the three points they gave are total BS, but the one that irks me the most is #3. Cops have the same duty to identify a target that they are about to pull the trigger on (and what is behind it that could potentially be hit as well) that all responsible gun owners do. They arent above the law and to shoot first and ask questions later by what is supposed to be a trained professional is just asinine.

I'd take an armed and aggressive teacher/educator over a cop thats 3minutes away any day...

2 minutes (which is probably wildly optimistic, anyway) is a really long time in that situation.

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No one is allowed to carry on campus
I have a chl but I don't want to lose my job or be arrested for carrying there.

I think 25% out of the one thousand plus ISD's in Texas are either in the process or have completed the process of having some teachers carry. We obviously aren't one of them.

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You're missing the point. An entire room of supposed college educated individuals didn't have the rationale to understand that statement was complete BS nor questioned then about it. That's the point. Nothing about your story from the police statement to the complete lack of response makes any sense.