If so, what are your impressions?

I was skeptical at first but I think I'm coming around....

https://www.fullconceal.com/

Cool novelty to me but my thing.... who wants to have to unfold a gun in a self defense situation? Your timing on that can be so fast and stressful anyways, having to unfold a gun seems like adding a lot of extra steps when the gain in concealment isn't absolutely huge. I mean, one of the big deals for a lot of carry users is not having a safety due to not wanting to fumble around with it. This is even more of a hindrance, to me.

All that being said, I do think they are cool as hell and the ability to hide one in an AR stock is really awesome.

I'm still a skeptic, I like my G19 the way it is.

TheEyeGuy said:

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Cool novelty to me but my thing.... who wants to have to unfold a gun in a self defense situation? Your timing on that can be so fast and stressful anyways, having to unfold a gun seems like adding a lot of extra steps when the gain in concealment isn't absolutely huge. I mean, one of the big deals for a lot of carry users is not having a safety due to not wanting to fumble around with it. This is even more of a hindrance, to me.

All that being said, I do think they are cool as hell and the ability to hide one in an AR stock is really awesome.

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I agree

If it is an issue, get a smaller gun

There's no question that it will reduce draw time compared to other concealed methods. I like the AR stock idea. I'm thinking truck gun and/or in back pack during hiking/camping. Occasional pocket carry with some attire.

Morpholino said:

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There's no question that it will reduce draw time compared to other concealed methods.

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You mean increase.

Because there's no way you're pulling out and putting together a gun faster than you could just draw a gun that wasn't cut in half for no good reason.

My mistake. Increase.

Fugly but I like the effort. I think more folks will carry as the footprint of a pistol shrinks. Chopping a glock in half sure is one way to do it. It's a step in the right direction.

Interesting, but seems less than ideal as a concealed carry gun. Just looks like extra steps that could go wrong.

I'm always excited to see new innovations in the firearms and shooting industry

''Scuse me while I whip this out

That thing is awesome, but I just don't think I can bring myself to trust a folding trigger and trigger guard. I need both of those to be fixed for me to consider it.

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That thing is awesome, but I just don't think I can bring myself to trust a folding trigger and trigger guard. I need both of those to be fixed for me to consider it.

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That part doesn't bother me that much as the trigger system disengages when it's folded. It's all about having to unfold it to use it that makes it less desireable as a carry system for me. And if you aren't folding, then why pay the extra money?

Rather just grab my G20 than mess with that

10mm. Solid.

FIDO 96 said:

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10mm. Solid.

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Big Ben needs more stopping power than most...

TheEyeGuy said:

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Cool novelty to me but my thing.... who wants to have to unfold a gun in a self defense situation? Your timing on that can be so fast and stressful anyways, having to unfold a gun seems like adding a lot of extra steps when the gain in concealment isn't absolutely huge. I mean, one of the big deals for a lot of carry users is not having a safety due to not wanting to fumble around with it. This is even more of a hindrance, to me.

All that being said, I do think they are cool as hell and the ability to hide one in an AR stock is really awesome.

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First, I'm no expert.

Adding a lot of extra steps. It seems like one step, unfolding it.

And since there isn't a safety, it also seems like a net zero compared to a gun with one.
Again, no expert and haven't had to shoot at someone but, it seems like after you practice you would know you had to unfold it to shoot. As opposed to a gun with a safety when it's go time and you are pumping on the trigger but forgot to take it off safe.

Not arguing, just thinking out loud.

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TheEyeGuy said:

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Cool novelty to me but my thing.... who wants to have to unfold a gun in a self defense situation? Your timing on that can be so fast and stressful anyways, having to unfold a gun seems like adding a lot of extra steps when the gain in concealment isn't absolutely huge. I mean, one of the big deals for a lot of carry users is not having a safety due to not wanting to fumble around with it. This is even more of a hindrance, to me.

All that being said, I do think they are cool as hell and the ability to hide one in an AR stock is really awesome.

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First, I'm no expert.

Adding a lot of extra steps. It seems like one step, unfolding it.

And since there isn't a safety, it also seems like a net zero compared to a gun with one.
Again, no expert and haven't had to shoot at someone but, it seems like after you practice you would know you had to unfold it to shoot. As opposed to a gun with a safety when it's go time and you are pumping on the trigger but forgot to take it off safe.

Not arguing, just thinking out loud.

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You can call it one step, but it's a lot different step than just flicking a safety off that you can do as you draw. There is a way to one hand open the full conceal, but it's not something that most people are going to do, nor would I want to have to do that under stress of having to draw on someone. Most will open it with two hands and it will take more time. If you are under immediate threat, that could be the difference in life and death.

I definitely get where you're coming from, and if you're talking someone like Bender, Jabber, etc that take time to actually train, then it would be much less of a difference, but the overwhelming majority of people that come into the store practice defense very, very little.

Plus, I would prefer not even having a safety, though two of my three CCPs have them that I actively use due to the gun design (P238 & P938). My third, HK P30SK, does not have a manual safety at all.

EyeGuy- so you carry 2 of the same pistols I do which means I apparently need a P238.

How does it compare size wise to the 938? Slightly smaller or same gun in 380?

(Sorry to get off topic fr the folding Glock!)

Thanks!

TheEyeGuy said:

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Texas 1836 said:

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TheEyeGuy said:

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Cool novelty to me but my thing.... who wants to have to unfold a gun in a self defense situation? Your timing on that can be so fast and stressful anyways, having to unfold a gun seems like adding a lot of extra steps when the gain in concealment isn't absolutely huge. I mean, one of the big deals for a lot of carry users is not having a safety due to not wanting to fumble around with it. This is even more of a hindrance, to me.

All that being said, I do think they are cool as hell and the ability to hide one in an AR stock is really awesome.

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First, I'm no expert.

Adding a lot of extra steps. It seems like one step, unfolding it.

And since there isn't a safety, it also seems like a net zero compared to a gun with one.
Again, no expert and haven't had to shoot at someone but, it seems like after you practice you would know you had to unfold it to shoot. As opposed to a gun with a safety when it's go time and you are pumping on the trigger but forgot to take it off safe.

Not arguing, just thinking out loud.

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You can call it one step, but it's a lot different step than just flicking a safety off that you can do as you draw. There is a way to one hand open the full conceal, but it's not something that most people are going to do, nor would I want to have to do that under stress of having to draw on someone. Most will open it with two hands and it will take more time. If you are under immediate threat, that could be the difference in life and death.

I definitely get where you're coming from, and if you're talking someone like Bender, Jabber, etc that take time to actually train, then it would be much less of a difference, but the overwhelming majority of people that come into the store practice defense very, very little.

Plus, I would prefer not even having a safety, though two of my three CCPs have them that I actively use due to the gun design (P238 & P938). My third, HK P30SK, does not have a manual safety at all.

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Valid point.

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EyeGuy- so you carry 2 of the same pistols I do which means I apparently need a P238.

How does it compare size wise to the 938? Slightly smaller or same gun in 380?

(Sorry to get off topic fr the folding Glock!)

Thanks!

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It is slightly smaller, generally not noticeably but depends on what I'm wearing. If it's running shorts, probably running the 238. Otherwise, 938. If I actually feel the need for a jacket, P30SK. But 938 is the overwhelming carry gun for me, but I'm the very atypical gun store owner, I very rarely carry. Hell, everyone that works for me open carries and I generally only concealed carry.

TheEyeGuy said:

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I definitely get where you're coming from, and if you're talking someone like Bender, Jabber, etc that take time to actually train, then it would be much less of a difference, but the overwhelming majority of people that come into the store practice defense very, very little.

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Sad but true. And that kind of person is exactly the target market for something like this. I generally find the more people train, the less they are enamored of gimmicky concepts like a folded up gun you have to put together to use.

The "full conceal" is a classic example of an inexperienced persons answer to a pretty common problem: Guns are hard to conceal well, and the grip prints. Someone decided the answer to that problem was to fold the grip.

The answer arrived at by people with a lot more experience has been to find a holster/belt/clothing combination that makes concealment easier, and not compromise the speed at which you're able to use the gun in what may be the most important few seconds of your life.

Good insight from everyone. Count me in the group of Texans who can't train as much as they want. I will give this gimmick Glock a shot. And if I don't like it, I'll probably end up trading it :-)

I'll play devil's advocate. It seems to provide a capability similar to a small carbine or pistol AR (pistol calibers) when fully deployed. Big difference being it can be folded up to a much smaller footprint.

This could be the difference in a average CHL carrier keeping more than a side arm in a vehicle than not due to space. More of these types of options in vehicles and brief cases, the more likely mass shootings can be stopped by a good guy with a gun.

Same when traveling or around the ranch.

Just a thought.