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BCSWguru
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I performed a search and came up with nothing, so forgive me if this is a repeated thread...

Any experience with Orca coolers? Yay? Nay? Same as yeti/rtic/etc?
Law361
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Do they come with stickers?
Duncan Idaho
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Don't glow in the dark
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Gotta get on that Gnarwal, brah
BenFiasco14
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Nay. I sort of have a rule where I'll oppose pretty much anything that "models" on Instagram advertise. That's the only place I ever see Orca- promoted on instagram. So I'll pass.

Rtic is sponsored by A&M and have come out unequivocally in support of the 2A, why not go with them?
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I have a 140 qt and like it. Can get different color combos which is nice. The mesh pockets along side are also nice. Quality wise I doubt there is any difference in any of them but they are usa made.
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fwiw

I got an Orca for free for Christmas this past year. Don't know the comparisons to yeti/rtic as far as performance goes, but it sure does hold my beer cold and that's about all I need.

I also like that it has the handles molded in as well as the rope strap handles for carrying with two people as well.
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BenFiasco14 said:


Rtic is sponsored by A&M and have come out unequivocally in support of the 2A, why not go with them?


Because they cheated and stole Yeti's design?

I have Rtic stuff and don't really care, but some people might.
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idAg09 said:

BenFiasco14 said:


Rtic is sponsored by A&M and have come out unequivocally in support of the 2A, why not go with them?


Because they cheated and stole Yeti's design?

I have Rtic stuff and don't really care, but some people might.


Did they? Is there a lawsuit?
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BenFiasco14 said:

idAg09 said:

BenFiasco14 said:


Rtic is sponsored by A&M and have come out unequivocally in support of the 2A, why not go with them?


Because they cheated and stole Yeti's design?

I have Rtic stuff and don't really care, but some people might.


Did they? Is there a lawsuit?


https://gearjunkie.com/yeti-rtic-coolers-lawsuit-settlement

If I remember correctly they went to China and "stole" the designs and produced the exact products. Then used aggressive comparisons including side by side photos showing they were identical in advertising.
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BenFiasco14 said:

Nay. I sort of have a rule where I'll oppose pretty much anything that "models" on Instagram advertise. That's the only place I ever see Orca- promoted on instagram. So I'll pass.

Rtic is sponsored by A&M and have come out unequivocally in support of the 2A, why not go with them?


This..I got a Rtic at Christmas when they were on sale. For 170 I got a big nice cooler. That 170 wouldn't of gotten me a roadie from yeti. Rtic is the best bang for the buck in my opinion.
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BenFiasco14 said:

idAg09 said:

BenFiasco14 said:


Rtic is sponsored by A&M and have come out unequivocally in support of the 2A, why not go with them?


Because they cheated and stole Yeti's design?

I have Rtic stuff and don't really care, but some people might.


Did they? Is there a lawsuit?
Yes, and multiple.

That being said, I got out of the cooler game. We made some money but it wasn't worth messing with. I think I basically still have a soft side left over and thats it outside of a couple cups.

When Rtic hit the market, I was in process of starting my own label on them. Did some research and got wind of several other products coming out and walked away. If we didn't have the store, I probably would have kept going with them as I basically was going to have them made in the same factory as yeti's stuff so it would have been on par with them. However, the amount of competition that was coming plus the blatant ripoff of designs made me walk away. Glad I did.

That being said, I really don't think you'll see much realistic difference between all of the rotomold coolers in regards to performance. See which one works best for you and go from there. There are some differences between most, so whatever features you like the most, have at it. Mine were going to have wheels and the larger sizes were going to have two compartments.... one for long term storage and one for shorter term.
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I thought I had heard that RTIC was founded by a couple of engineers from YETI or basically some people associated with the company. Probably saw the ridiculous margins and figured they could still make good money at half the MSRP.

Yes, they were pretty blatant in "ripping off" YETI, and probably planned for the forthcoming (and subsequently settled) cost of lawsuits into their business model. But by the time of the settlement they had already carved out a good chunk of market share and ensured they'll likely last longer than most of these other brands that have popped up after.
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If only they were even more expensive, then I might buy one
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idAg09 said:

BenFiasco14 said:


Rtic is sponsored by A&M and have come out unequivocally in support of the 2A, why not go with them?


Because they cheated and stole Yeti's design?

I have Rtic stuff and don't really care, but some people might.

Ever heard of Engel coolers?
Finn Maccumhail
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IIRC, Yeti was originally IceyTek but Engel were the first rotomolded coolers and have been around for years before Yeti. And Yeti just tweaked the original IceyTek coolers to refine them a bit.

Yeti didn't "design" much of anything from a tech perspective. It was almost solely a genius marketing campaign.

Yeti sued Rtic largely over advertising practices, you'll notice there's almost zero substantive difference between the two hard coolers.
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Beat me to it. RTIC didn't do anything YETI didn't do themselves. They ripped off Engel. YETI was just much better at the legal and marketing game than RTIC.
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Bird93 said:

Beat me to it. RTIC didn't do anything YETI didn't do themselves. They ripped off Engel. YETI was just much better at the legal and marketing game than RTIC.
RIght. YETI took Engel's idea and made another (different) roto-molded cooler. RTIC took YETI's idea and made the exact same cooler.
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Bird93 said:

Beat me to it. RTIC didn't do anything YETI didn't do themselves. They ripped off Engel. YETI was just much better at the legal and marketing game than RTIC.

Actually, I think Yeti "ripped off" Icey Tek, not Engel. I could be wrong though. The way I've heard it was that the Seiders bros. came across the Icey Tek line at a trade show of some kind and then created Yeti based on Icey Tek. They may have even bought the idea from Icey Tek and brought it to the US but I'm not sure on that.

I don't know if there was a nickel's worth of difference between Yeti, Engel, or Icey Tek circa 2006-07 when Yeti was getting off the ground but I do know that there were rotomolded coolers out then but they were expensive and poorly marketed. The Seiders boys came up with genius marketing and created a brand that is not just a brand but a lifestyle- go look at all their ads and films and social media presence. I've said it 100 times but one day marketing and advertising students will study Yeti as a "how-to" on creating a brand and generating customer loyalty.

I don't know all the ins & outs of the Yeti-Rtic lawsuits but I do know the brothers who started Rtic did not work for Yeti, they were in the shipping business which is how they were probably able to run down the factories in Asia where Yeti produces their stuff. And it's pretty damn clear that whatever may have occurred Rtic did not take much of a hit- look at their product lines, other than the soft coolers they're still largely indistinguishable from Yeti and you simply don't have the money to throw around on sponsorships (see A&M, Houston Astros, etc) that Rtic has done in the past 18-24 months if you're not generating a lot of revenue.

Right now I'd say Rtic and the Seiders bros. are the ones who look real smart and not the folks from Coretec.

The Seiders bros. made themselves rich by selling out to Coretec and getting out at the most valuable point. Rtic has built up their reputation and is moving from merely being a budget choice to trying to generate their own brand loyalty and lifestyle brand too. Meanwhile Coretec has pulled back from the Yeti IPO.
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We have an Orca cooler. It works great. We got a discount on ours through a family member. I like the fact it is a Tennessee company and the coolers are made in the US using US labor and parts.
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AgEng06 said:

Bird93 said:

Beat me to it. RTIC didn't do anything YETI didn't do themselves. They ripped off Engel. YETI was just much better at the legal and marketing game than RTIC.
RIght. YETI took Engel's idea and made another (different) roto-molded cooler. RTIC took YETI's idea and made the exact same cooler.

It's a rotomolded cooler, they're not creating some sort of super secret intellectual property. There's only a handful of ways it can be done.

I think the fact that Rtic coolers are still virtually identical to Yetis (so are Orca for that matter) even after the legal battles shows the weakness of that position.
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The redsigns are "virtually identical". They are not identical, like they were before (as evidenced by the changes after the lawsuits).
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Yeah, Rtic did change some stuff. Not a ton, but enough. Keep in mind, most of yetis patents were design patents, so they were on Yeti's unique design, not how they worked. So, did yeti have a legit beef? Yep. Was yeti going to be able to stop everyone else? Nope. As was stated earlier, they weren't even the first to market, they just did a much much better job advertising and getting their name out. Great product, but even when I did deal in them, I was pretty open in that they were overpriced.
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Now that I have two kids I for sure can't afford a YETI, I'm not even sure I can afford a dang RTIC anymore!
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easttexasaggie04 said:

Now that I have two kids I for sure can't afford a YETI, I'm not even sure I can afford a dang RTIC anymore!
Hell, I own three... two hard side and a softside. All three were Texian Yeti Closeouts, haha. It was hard enough for me to justify paying wholesale for them.
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AgEng06 said:

The redsigns are "virtually identical". They are not identical, like they were before (as evidenced by the changes after the lawsuits).

Did you need a microscope to split those hairs?

And I'm cooler agnostic. I've got Yeti and Rtic and even some Igloo and Coleman coolers too.
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Finn Maccumhail said:

IIRC, Yeti was originally IceyTek but Engel were the first rotomolded coolers and have been around for years before Yeti. And Yeti just tweaked the original IceyTek coolers to refine them a bit.

Yeti didn't "design" much of anything from a tech perspective. It was almost solely a genius marketing campaign.

Yeti sued Rtic largely over advertising practices, you'll notice there's almost zero substantive difference between the two hard coolers.


So Yeti stole someone else's designs!
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If anyone thinks Yeti "tweaked" an Icey-Tek cooler you haven't ever seen an early Icey-Tek. They were butt ugly.

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Finn Maccumhail said:

IIRC, Yeti was originally IceyTek but Engel were the first rotomolded coolers and have been around for years before Yeti. And Yeti just tweaked the original IceyTek coolers to refine them a bit.


Engel was 2005...Yeti was2006

Yeti separated itself by a different marketing path from the other cooler companies. Not any different than the Waterloo approach if you bought one of those rods.

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Uh, Yetis are butt ugly and over-priced by a very wide margin...
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sunchaser said:

If anyone thinks Yeti "tweaked" an Icey-Tek cooler you haven't ever seen an early Icey-Tek. They were butt ugly.

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Finn Maccumhail said:

IIRC, Yeti was originally IceyTek but Engel were the first rotomolded coolers and have been around for years before Yeti. And Yeti just tweaked the original IceyTek coolers to refine them a bit.


Engel was 2005...Yeti was2006

Yeti separated itself by a different marketing path from the other cooler companies. Not any different than the Waterloo approach if you bought one of those rods.



Engel was around long before 2005. I have a friend who is a transplant surgeon and he said that the older guys he studied under were using metal Engel coolers with molded plastic lining to transport organs in the late-1970's. Supposedly they still prefer the Engel due to the latches.

And Icey Tek is indeed ugly. IIRC, they got started making fiberglass coolers and then went to the rotomolded. Yeti took the concept from Icey Tek as I understand it and changed the cosmetics.

But I think we're sort of saying the same thing.

And that is, the whole idea of the rotomolded cooler isn't something exclusive to Yeti (or anybody else really) but the Seiders boys saw the market opportunity, came up with an amazing business/marketing plan and made a killing. For that I applaud them. I've got a ton of respect for what they've done and how their success has allowed them to create the business (not to mention lifestyles of their own). That's part of the reason I'm happy to buy their gear, it's great quality stuff and I respect the hell out of what they've done.

But this ain't Alexander Graham Bell inventing the telephone to improve upon the telegraph.

edit: what's the "Waterloo approach" you're talking about?
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I agree.
I was only referring to Engel's entry into the rotomold coolers. Coretec bought a brand, they already had a rotomold company.

If you remember Waterloo fishing rods they were marketed in much the same way as Yeti. They had multiple guides on the coast touting their rods etc. They developed a following. You could read threads of Waterloo vs Gloomis vs Laguna etc

Waterloo was one of the Seiders brothers company.

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Yeah, I remember Waterloo rods but I've never used one. I forgot that was a Seiders thing. I met Roger, Roy, and Ryan in probably 2004 because my brother-in-law used to be in the rod building industry. He developed an epoxy called Threadmaster to compete with Flex-Coat. Interesting guys. My BiL doesn't like them but he's an odd dude.

Anyway, the whole history thing of it was bugging me and then I remembered the first Yeti coolers weren't called "Tundra" but "Sherpa" and looked a lot different. Much more like the Ivey Tek from 15 years ago.

http://kk.org/cooltools/yeti-sherpa-coo/

https://www.planetseafishing.com/yeti-sherpa-47l-cool-box/

http://www.reelproshop.com/product_info.php?products_id=106

I can't figure out how to get photo web addresses on my iPad but do a Google image search for "Yeti Sherpa" and you can find tons of pics of their early models.
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Just a guess but they couldn't get the early coolers roto molded like they wanted in Thailand. They went to the Philippines and found another company that would make them like they wanted. That later version was the one that took off along with a price bump.

This picture is a Post Butt Ugly Icey-Tek.The first ones I saw were very square. The outside had a brownish glassed over burlap look.

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