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JeremiahJohnson
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Have any of you used tipis for hunting/backpacking?

It seems like a lot of people are trending in that direction. I definitely want to try one, but hesitant to switch over from a conventional tent with a floor. Tipis are lighter and have more room. The ability to have a stove is also a plus. I guess maybe the plains Indians got it right. If you have used one, which do you prefer?

https://seekoutside.com/tipi-tents/

https://store.kifaru.net/tipis--sawtooth-c18.aspx
Lungblood
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Silvertip with lite outdoors stove. Spending the next 4 nites in it in se nm. 4.5lbs or so for entire set up. It's a keeper
JeremiahJohnson
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Awesome!....torn between that and the Cimarron
PFG
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I used a SeekOutside 6 man tipi in Colorado 3rd season elk hunting.

**Caveat - It was a loaner from Seek that I was using as part of a magazine review

That said - I did have to send it back to Seek...sadly. I freaking loved that thing. The 6 man with medium stove was a palace for 2 dudes and gear. To give you an idea of what those stoves can do - it was 18 outside, and 70 degrees inside before we went to sleep. I was cozied up in a 20 degree back with socks, briefs, and a t-shirt. In November. In the high country.

They take a little practice to get good at placing stakes and raising the tent, but after a few tries I had it down. Put ours up in the dark at 3am after a long hike in from the trailhead.

I loved how light it was. I loved the stove and having a warm sleeping bag in the evening and the morning. We would stoke up a fire and get dressed in a warm tent while its snowing outside.

Only thing not to love is the price. I wouldn't use one enough to justify the cost. That said - if I had money to burn or camped in the cold often, I'd be all over a tipi and stove combo. It shed the wind and precip. and the stove was fantastic. We had a medium with titanium pipe.
Lungblood
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If you're really tall, you should go cimarron.
PFG
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I like what Seek Outside brings to the hunting/backpacking community. I was an early adopter of their packs, and still use it on high country hunts. Good people, good gear, buy with confidence. Probably the same can be said with Kifaru, I just don't have any first hand experience with their stuff.
JeremiahJohnson
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PFG said:

I used a SeekOutside 6 man tipi in Colorado 3rd season elk hunting.

**Caveat - It was a loaner from Seek that I was using as part of a magazine review

That said - I did have to send it back to Seek...sadly. I freaking loved that thing. The 6 man with medium stove was a palace for 2 dudes and gear. To give you an idea of what those stoves can do - it was 18 outside, and 70 degrees inside before we went to sleep. I was cozied up in a 20 degree back with socks, briefs, and a t-shirt. In November. In the high country.

They take a little practice to get good at placing stakes and raising the tent, but after a few tries I had it down. Put ours up in the dark at 3am after a long hike in from the trailhead.

I loved how light it was. I loved the stove and having a warm sleeping bag in the evening and the morning. We would stoke up a fire and get dressed in a warm tent while its snowing outside.

Only thing not to love is the price. I wouldn't use one enough to justify the cost. That said - if I had money to burn or camped in the cold often, I'd be all over a tipi and stove combo. It shed the wind and precip. and the stove was fantastic. We had a medium with titanium pipe.
Thanks for the info!
helloag99
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I assume tipi is used because teepee is racist?
Lungblood
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nimrodag99 said:

I assume tipi is used because teepee is racist?


Why would you assume that?
BullSprig07
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Like that Indian that drank 99 glasses of tea and drowned in his teapee...
NRH ag 10
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I have a Silvertip and have slept in it 4 or 5 nights. It has a stove jack but I do not have a stove as of yet. IT was purchased after using my tarptent contrail (single wall 1 person shelter) for an elk hunt and realizing the tarptent was noisy as hell in any wind, even when using every guyline, drafty as hell, and cramped. It was light though (24 oz paced with stakes).

Impressions with the Silvertip:

Good:

-Lightweight for what it is. I more than doubled my floorspace and have much more interior volume. With the stove jack (adds 4-5 oz from what I have read), every stake you could possibly use (I think 12 or 14), and the trekking pole strap I use to lash my trekking poles together it weighs 2.25 lbs in a stuff sack. I am used to very small shelters, so the amount of room in the Silvertip feels huge to me. YMMV depending on prior experience.

-Ease of pitching. The Silvertip, Cimmarron, an Redcliff are all pyramid tipi hybrids. You have a rectangle to work with for your 1st 4 stakes which make it very simple to set up. You only need 6 stakes to call it a day with the Silvertip, although using more will increase floorspace and interior volume.

-Weather resistance. The thing is silent in 30mph winds. I have seen videos and pictures of the Lil Bug Out in 70 mph winds and another after a large snowfall (>1ft) and it was fine. The Silvertip is by all accounts even more weather resistant than the LBO. Even without a stove, the interior will be warmer that outside. I went on a trip on Cross Timbers trail on the Texas side of lake Texoma (highly recommend) and hung a thermometer inside the Silvertip. When I woke up it was 42* inside. Moving the thermometer outside, it dropped to 34*.

-Quality. Like PFG I am a fan of Seek Outside. I love their backpacks after packing out a few animals in mine and using it for training hikes with sandbags and weights in it. Their shelters are the same. The stitching is great, the large YKK zips are smooth and should last forever, and the silnylon seems to have less sag than my tartptent did.

Less good:

-Condensation. If you pitch this in a stupid spot (over a ton of green grass, near a creek bottom or in some other kind of low lying area) and it is tight to the ground, the interior will most likely be covered in condensation in the mornings. I understand sometimes you might not have options and will be stuck. For those times you can use the line loc kit to pitch the tipi off the ground a few inches and let air flow or leave the door slightly open. The vent setup they have doesn't really make much of a difference IMO. I tied cordage at all stakeout loop with a tautline hitch at each end to achieve the same effect as their line loc kit because I had the cord and am a cheap ******* at times. All this being said, pitching and sleeping in this in my backyard over green grass several times and using it backpacking, when I did get condensation I had enough room that I wasn't brushing up against the walls and getting my sleeping bag wet, and by raising it or pitching tight to the ground over bare dirt I had no condensation, even with high humidity. Using a plastic/tyvek ground sheet will also cut down on moisture from the ground and thus condensation.

-Not all the floorspace is usable. The sloping sides that give such great weather shedding ability mean you can't really use all of the interior the same way you can a tent that meet the ground at a near 90* angle. This is mitigated by following Seek Outside's pitching instructions. I still think this thing has a massive amount of room for a backpacking shelter, and you can use this space for getting small items out of the center of the shelter.

Congrats if you read that entire treatise. You might also consider the LBO with vestibule. Same weight as the Silvertip, slightly less intuitive pitching, more floorspace. Take just the main base and have a 3 sided pyramid when it's warm and weather is nice, use the base + vestibule for nasty weather or 2 people (you can more easily split the load of the LBO with 2 people since it zips apart. You can also add a tarp in the center for a big basecamp or more than 2 people. I struggled to choose between the two.

Here is a pretty detailed review of a lot of 2+ people pyramid style shelters at rokslide.

Edit: Silvertip on Cross Timbers trail.

reddog90
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Your silvertip is quieter than your contrail?
harge57
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I spent about 7 nights in a Cimarron hunting solo in WY this year. Then I spent 6 more nights in an 8 person tipi with my brother and dad.

Overall I will continue to use one.

However 2 feet of snow one night snapped our centerpole in half at 2am. We had to fix and reset up the tipi in 8 degrees in the snow. However being able to start a fire in the stove afterwards saved our bacon.

Condensation is a problem. It was snowing for 3 days and the sun never came out so we had a lot of condensation eventhough we were on pine needles.

Some tyvek like ground cloth is a requirement IMO. In addition to the ground cloth I'm going to add a lightweight bivy to keep condensation from dripping on bag.

harge57
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Here is my smaller tipi after a very heavy snow.


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reddog90 said:

Your silvertip is quieter than your contrail?


Much, much quieter.
JeremiahJohnson
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THAnks for all the responses. Now the hard part. Deciding between the LBO, silver tip and cimarron amoung others.
harge57
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The Cimarron was perfect for 1 person and all my gear. You could fit 2 people in one, but would be cramped if you had all your gear inside.
JYDog90
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Looking at their website, it seems this is the tent you ought to get if it can do what this guy claims it can!

https://imgur.com/gallery/zrpZa
Formerly Willy Wonka
harge57
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Lol. The modern sweat lodge.
JeremiahJohnson
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willie wonka said:

Looking at their website, it seems this is the tent you ought to get if it can do what this guy claims it can!

https://imgur.com/gallery/zrpZa
I am probably already condemned... I don't need any help
oscar9
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How do you keep snakes out?
harge57
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I leave my bag of mice at the trailhead.

But on a more serious note there was 2 feet of snow on the ground in september so snakes never crossed my mind.
Charismatic Megafauna
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I have a golite shangri-la 5 (I forget what they're calling the mytrail version), bought it as a kitchen/hangout shelter after my last snowed-in elk hunt. On that hunt we had a tarp that we used as a windbreak for eating but it got cold and wet enough that a more protected shelter would have been nice. So far I've spent a couple nights in it, it's monstrous for 2 dudes, more than adequate for 3, very light and packable, easy to set up, easy to add guylines, I have the nest too which is nice if you are camping somewhere with more mosquitos and snakes than rain, and like looking at the stars. Weighs a bit more but way cheaper than some of the other options
JeremiahJohnson
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Awesome info guys.....

I am still torn between the SO Cimarron, Lil bug out, and Kifaru Tut. I am sure I will be happy with either.

This rock slide review was great, but he didn't include the LBO.
http://www.rokslide.com/review-floorless-pyramid-shootout/
NRH ag 10
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What conditions do you see yourself using the shelter for and how many people will be staying in it? Are you going to be setting up a basecamp and striking out from that every day? Hunting/hiking with camp on your back? What other shelters have you used and what are your thoughts on them?

Obviously we cannot make the decision for you, but answering those questions should help narrow it down.

A review of the LBO and a general primer on tipi/pyramid shelters from a guy that has used them more than most:

http://www.rokslide.com/lil-bug-out-modular-shelter-system/ (note the 3 piece vestibule is the one offered now, and gives 72 sq ft of floorspace)

https://bedrockandparadox.com/2016/12/28/a-more-complete-treatise-on-mid-selection/ (There is a photo here of a LBO+vestibule in heavy snow. I tried to find the post he made about that trip but failed. From what I remembered he said it was the worst winter storm he has weathered in a tent. This is from someone that lives in Montana and created the Bob Open where you traverse the Bob Marshall Wilderness for time.)

oklaunion
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In the OP's link for the tents and then going to their stoves, I like how the pics have long, dead, dry grass brushing up against the bottom of that stove inside the tent.
Woods Ag
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Looks like an awesome option. I would consider pairing it with a bivy from enlightened equipment.
JeremiahJohnson
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I will primarily use it alone or with my wife in Colorado. But also planning week long backpack hunts in the mountains.

The modular nature of a LBO seemed like a plus for when I'm alone scouting in the summer but the larger tents look like they'd be better in weather and with multiple people.
JeremiahJohnson
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Visited Kifaru this week in Denver and ended up buying the Sawtooth. Apparently they are made to order, but should get it next week. Super excited

https://store.kifaru.net/sawtooth-p86.aspx
John Cocktolstoy
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Used a canvas teepee that was really big, it was at least 12-15 ft. Not sure of height but would guess 8-9 ft. My buddy said we were going to have really bad weather with rain and snow and he did not want to sleep in my tent anymore. In Montana where we were hunting you have to pack everything in. This thing was god awful heavy, it should have been on a horse. The day we packed it in we had to bail on a lot of other things to carry it up and nothing else. I ended up fashioning rope and tie downs for us to carry it up like movers slings. First thing at camp and what we did not look forward to last day! Those in the pics look awesome but how well will they hold heat? Definitely not a 3-4 season up north.
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LRHF
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Kifaru is the bomb! I have a pack and have lusted over a Tipi for a long time.
JeremiahJohnson
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John Cocktolstoy said:

Used a canvas teepee that was really big, it was at least 12-15 ft. Not sure of height but would guess 8-9 ft. My buddy said we were going to have really bad weather with rain and snow and he did not want to sleep in my tent anymore. In Montana where we were hunting you have to pack everything in. This thing was god awful heavy, it should have been on a horse. The day we packed it in we had to bail on a lot of other things to carry it up and nothing else. I ended up fashioning rope and tie downs for us to carry it up like movers slings. First thing at camp and what we did not look forward to last day! Those in the pics look awesome but how well will they hold heat? Definitely not a 3-4 season up north.
Sawtooth is only 4.5 lbs... The 8man tipi is less than 8lbs. The stove will keep you warm. You can get a stove at 2-3 lbs.
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