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EFE
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11:15a, 9/19/17
Muzzleloader!
https://www.store.silencerco.com/products/maxim-50?variant=37950952529

I'm so very tempted to go ahead and order one of these.
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SWCBonfire
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11:31a, 9/19/17
Cleaning that thing is going to be a ***** and a half, especially with real black powder and not 777 or pyrodex. I suppose it is stainless so you don't have to clean every nook and cranny.

And in my mind, one of the big reasons for a suppressor is follow up shots.
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AgySkeet06
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11:36a, 9/19/17
I guess NFA only applies to centerfire/rimfire guns? never thought out it like that.

I'm not sure $1k muzzleloader suppressor is something that is going to do well. It looks a bit bulky and would think it to be a pain to load with. I'd also be concerned about cleaning it.
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AgEng06
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11:43a, 9/19/17
Per their FAQ:
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WHY DON'T I NEED A TAX STAMP?

The BATFE defines a silencer as a "device for silencing, muffling, or diminishing the report of a portable firearm..." By that definition, a silencer is only a silencer if it can attach to a firearm.

The Maxim 50 is built on the base of a Traditions Vortek Strikerfire Muzzleloader. Muzzleloaders are not considered firearms by the BATFE, but are instead antique firearms, a definition and difference that is very distinct.

Because of this, a moderator that is permanently affixed to a muzzleloader is not legally defined as a silencer, since it does not attach to a firearm.
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nealan
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In reply to AgySkeet06 • 11:45a, 9/19/17
It's not a muzzleloader suppressor. It's the whole gun!
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jabberwalkie09
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In reply to SWCBonfire • 11:46a, 9/19/17
SWCBonfire said:
Cleaning that thing is going to be a ***** and a half, especially with real black powder and not 777 or pyrodex.
Almost exactly what I was thinking.
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Finn Maccumhail
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In reply to AgEng06 • 12:00p, 9/19/17
AgEng06 said:
Per their FAQ:
Quote:
WHY DON'T I NEED A TAX STAMP?

The BATFE defines a silencer as a "device for silencing, muffling, or diminishing the report of a portable firearm..." By that definition, a silencer is only a silencer if it can attach to a firearm.

The Maxim 50 is built on the base of a Traditions Vortek Strikerfire Muzzleloader. Muzzleloaders are not considered firearms by the BATFE, but are instead antique firearms, a definition and difference that is very distinct.

Because of this, a moderator that is permanently affixed to a muzzleloader is not legally defined as a silencer, since it does not attach to a firearm.

So, does that mean one could produce regular fireams, in this particular case long rifles, with the "silencer" integrated into the barrel and not able to be removed and eliminate the need for the tax stamp?
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EFE
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In reply to Finn Maccumhail • 12:02p, 9/19/17
No, would have to be a muzzleloader. They get around the verbiage because a muzzle loader isn't considered a firearm by ATF standards.
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SWCBonfire
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12:03p, 9/19/17
No, but if I'm reading that correctly you could put one on a pre-1898 Chilean mauser or old winchester with no stamp.
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Finn Maccumhail
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In reply to EFE • 12:05p, 9/19/17
EagleFordEarl said:
No, would have to be a muzzleloader. They get around the verbiage because a muzzle loader isn't considered a firearm by ATF standards.

Thanks for the info.

This is something I'm ignorant of and it immediately jumped out to me as a business opportunity which has been overlooked and it seemed so obvious I figured I was missing something.
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FrontPorchAg
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1:07p, 10/10/17
Bump -

Its been a month now and I wanted to see if anyone has shot this thing yet. I am very interested in this for next year's hunting season.
All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others
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In reply to SWCBonfire • 1:19p, 10/10/17
SWCBonfire said:

And in my mind, one of the big reasons for a suppressor is follow up shots.
Buy two.
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Duncan Idaho
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1:27p, 10/10/17
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Maxim 50 also offers shooters greatly reduced recoil and a 2/3 reduction of smoke emissions when compared to non-moderated muzzleloaders.


That is half the fun of shooting a muzzle loader
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The Wonderer
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In reply to Duncan Idaho • 1:52p, 10/10/17
Duncan Idaho said:
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Maxim 50 also offers shooters greatly reduced recoil and a 2/3 reduction of smoke emissions when compared to non-moderated muzzleloaders.


That is half the fun of shooting a muzzle loader
Either kill them with the bullet or the black lung.
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In reply to FrontPorchAg • 3:15p, 10/10/17
Mtn_Guide said:
Bump -

Its been a month now and I wanted to see if anyone has shot this thing yet. I am very interested in this for next year's hunting season.
I had like three of them. They sucked so I gave them away at a massive tailgate party before the bama game.


/mfbarnes
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