A couple friends and I are new to kayaking and are wanting to go kayak a short 2-10 mile stretch of either, but we also don't want to be out there all day. We don't fish so its just going to be a scenic/leisure paddle trip. I've read that you have to catch both of them at the right time otherwise we'll be walking and dragging a lot. So does any one know what an optimal flow rate would be for the river or creek?