I did a quick scan, and though I find it hard to believe its not posted, I didnt see it.

So, if it is, just ignore.

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http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/Dad-shoots-teen-found-in-his-daughter-s-room-5313696.php?cmpid=hpbn

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If its a kosher post, my question is this:

Whos says Dad was right? Wrong?

Personally, I think he needs to be in jail. He ruined some parents' life, traumatized his daughter, and ended a young boys life over what I can only assume is every mans goal from that age on. That is based only on what I read in the article though.


[This message has been edited by BrazosDog02 (edited 3/13/2014 2:33p).]

Of course the dad should be in jail. This shouldn't be a question.

[This message has been edited by goadius6 (edited 3/13/2014 2:37p).]

You should check out the Houston board. Some real crazies over there.

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I found this!

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/03/13/houston-dad-fatally-shoots-teen-inside-daughters-room-report-says/

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The father had a gun and asked the teen to identify himself, police said, according to the report. His daughter reportedly told her father that she did not know the teen and that the two were not in bed.

The father said he told the teen not to move, but reportedly saw the teen reach for something, at which point police say the father opened fire. The teen did not have a gun. His daughter later confessed that she did indeed know the teen, the report said.

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Yikes. I would likely not have gone this route, but I think this pretty much exonerates him. Yes?

Way too few details to make any determination.

"There was a confrontation"? Is that the dad telling the kid off and the kid giving him lip, or the kid throwing punches at dad trying to hurt him?

Hard to tell which way this one is going to go.

Not enough facts presented to come to any kind of opinion on the case.

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Horse ****. This is Texags.

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Way too few details to make any determination.

"There was a confrontation"? Is that the dad telling the kid off and the kid giving him lip, or the kid throwing punches at dad trying to hurt him?

Hard to tell which way this one is going to go.

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Does it matter if the teen broke in and was about to rape his daughter?

i have a friend that this exact thing happened to many years ago. He jumped out the window as the girl's dad was saying he was going to kick his ass. He got away without an ass kicking.

The difference here is that the dad knew he was his daughter's boyfriend, not some stranger.

Which begs the question. In the case in the OP, Is the "daughter said she didn't know the boy" real or is it a made up story to cover the dad's butt?

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The difference here is that the dad knew he was his daughter's boyfriend, not some stranger.

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Uhhhh, that's not what the article says. It says that the daughter told her dad that she didn't know the boy. So, does the dad just think it's some intruder? If the daughter would have said she knew him, he might have just gotten kicked out of the house. Really messed up situation.

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txaggie02, I think he was referring to what happened to his friend, not what happened in Houston last night.

'02, he's talking about his friend's situation, not the one in the story.

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Does it matter if the teen broke in and was about to rape his daughter?

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Not a lawyer, but if dad believed the kid was a stranger who broke in to rape his daughter, no it doesn't matter. It will be no billed.

Where it gets hairy is if dad did know the kid, then how the confrontation went might matter. It's harder to claim rape if its your daughters boyfriend that you know.

I hadn't followed the story before reading the link in the OP. based on the couple of articles I read just now, my money is on Dad walking for this one.

I would like to hand out "Don't play stupid games" participation trophys to everyone involved, though. Lots of mistakes from multiple people on this one. Sad deal for everyone but the lawyers everyone will be hiring.

Gotcha. I didn't follow.

If the daughter indeed lied, and it lead to this kids death....maybe daughter and daddy can figure out who gets punished. Someone should.

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The difference here is that the dad knew he was his daughter's boyfriend, not some stranger.

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txaggie02, I used poor grammar and I can see how my comment was confusing. What I should have written was : "The difference from the case mentioned in the OP is that in the case of my friend, the girl's dad knew my friend was his daughter's boyfriend."

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Lots of mistakes from multiple people on this one.

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I agree. But, depending on exactly how it went down, the dad could have either made the biggest mistake of all or done absolutely nothing wrong. It will depend entirely on the circumstances around the confrontation and wheter or not he knew the boy.

My gut tells me, and again this is just a gut feeling, is the son told the sleeping dad that there was someone hiding in his sisters room. Dad, who probably does not suspect his daughter would do something like that, gets his gun and goes to her room. He catches him, prbably fully clothed and maybe even still under the bed, and demands answers. Daughter, scared to disappoint and not at all thinking of the consequences, tells dad she doesnt know him. The boy is shocked and tries to interject but he shuts him up. At that point there is some kind of escalation and dad, thinking an intruder as become a deadly threat, shoots him.

He wont go to jail for that.

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His daughter reportedly told her father that she did not know the teen and that the two were not in bed.

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Talk about throwing someone under the bus....

You are good, as was your explanation. I'm sick as a dog today and been taking medicine since 6:00am this morning, so my head is not really in the right state of mind.

I bet the teenager was scared sheetless when the gun came out and tried to rush past the dad to escape, and things went really bad.

How this falls out is going to depend a lot on what was said, done, how the teen was shot, and the layout of the room.

I have a feeling this will get good on this board.

Its pretty sad in general. If the boy hadn't been killed, this might be one of those cute little stories that gets told in 20 years. Now, not so much.

agalaska, I think the scenario you described is probably what happened. I think the daughter panicked and blurted out that she didn't know him to save herself from an industrial strength disciplining. Having raised two teenagers recently I can tell you that thinking through consequences, especially on the fly is not one of their strengths.

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If the daughter indeed lied, and it lead to this kids death....maybe daughter and daddy can figure out who gets punished. Someone should.

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Totally agree. We will never know what happened, it's the word of two people who "may" have agreed to a story before the cops even got there.

If I was the boys father and nobody got punished, I'd go ballistic.

If it indeed went down the way it was told then I don't think I could convict as a juror. It does need to go to trial though.

It really sucks that this kid died but sometimes situations just really suck. The first bad choice was the kid sneaking in, the second bad choice was the daughter lied. I can't say what the dad did was a bad choice as this unknown male in his daughters room could be a threat to him or his daughter.

The prosecution does all the talking in the grand jury process, the defense does not really have a say from what I understand.

Regardless, *IF* it happened as stated, and dad had not seen the kid with the daughter before, I don't see any way in hell the dad gets convicted. "Reasonable man" clause - it is REASONABLE for a homeowner, upon finding a male in his house in the middle of the night, whom the daughter CLAIMS to not know, to be acting in self defense when the intruder is told not to move but makes a move towards the waistband. If that's what is presented to the grand jury, he will be no-billed.

As mentioned above, there are plenty of ways this can get more complicated.

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You are good, as was your explanation. I'm sick as a dog today and been taking medicine since 6:00am this morning, so my head is not really in the right state of mind.

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Is it ever?

What's important is that if all parties involved are black, whose side is Quannell going to take? Such a predicament.

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If it indeed went down the way it was told then I don't think I could convict as a juror. It does need to go to trial though.

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Again.......no one will ever know what really happened, so as a juror you won't have that luxury when deciding guilt. Perhaps you simply try to decide if they are telling the truth or lying. Perhaps everyone settles for a lesser charge like manslaughter. Will be interesting.

Terrible situation. Hate that it happen no matter what.

I try to teach my Son about doing the right thing. And that sometimes even being in the right doesn't mean bad things still won't happen.

Messing around with someone's Daughter is risky at best, despite it being the goal of most teenagers.

As Marty Cole said, "A Man's Game Charges A Man's Price."

I only grew up with a brother. I have a Daughter. if I'd known how Dad's feel about their girls when I was a teenager, I probably would have been afraid to hold their hand.

I'll probably talk to my Son about this story.

When I read the story this morning I envisioned the actual event unfolding just like Agsalaska wrote. Seems like the most plausible scenario for a 16 year old who just got caught with her boyfriend.

The conversation is going on through the door while the boyfriend jumps out of bed and/or gets his clothes on. When dad opens the door he's looking at a clothed guy and a disheveled daughter in her pajamas or less that swears she doesn't know the intruder. That grounding she'd have received sounds real easy right about now.

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Again.......no one will ever know what really happened, so as a juror you won't have that luxury when deciding guilt. Perhaps you simply try to decide if they are telling the truth or lying. Perhaps everyone settles for a lesser charge like manslaughter. Will be interesting.

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I thikn it is easy to overestimate the ability to create a lie and stick to a lie under those circumstances. As soon as he realized what happened, which was probably when his daughter freaked out about shooting her boyfriend, they probably called 911. Its hard to imagine in the little time they had that they could get control over their emotions and come up with a lie that the police could not easily tear down. They may have even been more concerned with trying to save his life.

My guess is we will have a very good idea what the truth is.

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Terrible situation. Hate that it happen no matter what.

I try to teach my Son about doing the right thing. And that sometimes even being in the right doesn't mean bad things still won't happen.

Messing around with someone's Daughter is risky at best, despite it being the goal of most teenagers.

As Marty Cole said, "A Man's Game Charges A Man's Price."

I only grew up with a brother. I have a Daughter. if I'd known how Dad's feel about their girls when I was a teenager, I probably would have been afraid to hold their hand.

I'll probably talk to my Son about this story.

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This.

As the father of a daughter, I figure if I give the first boy the same treatment the Indians gave Custer and display "him" in the front yard the rest will get the message.

Fine, if the daughter ultimately lied, let the father off and jail the daughter for a few years. Make her suffer for her lie.

She must be an angel because most dads would have called her out on the lie before shooting.

An angel who is a convincing liar.