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Finishing up some wildcats this morning

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Derrick_Ratliff
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Finishing up a couple wildcats this am. The ones on the left are a 6.5-257 WBY we just built. The ones on the right are a 22-243 that we are building a ar barrel for to fit a sig 716.


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lazuras_dc
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awesome!

PS. Add [,/,url,] without the comas in to the end of your hyperlink.
Derrick_Ratliff
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Whats weird is texags did my url for me cause it kept giving errors on my end. I just posted in 3 other post and it did not do that. On this one it did.. very frustrating.. Also how do you quote someone on this platform. I spend a ton of time on THF and it is super easy.

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schmellba99
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How much of a barrel burner is that .22-243 going to be, and does it provide any real advantage over a .22-250 in terms of performance?

I bet that 6.5 WBY is a hell of a good gun. The 6.5 round has seen a lot of growth in popularity - even Nosler is getting into the mix with their new .26 Nosler round that looks like it's a hell of a good design.
schmellba99
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Texags uses about as archaic a platform for message boards as there is, so you have to do everything by hand on quotes, etc. when you are on a PC.

Funny thing is that their mobile version is more user friendly in many aspects, which is backwards from the norm.
Derrick_Ratliff
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the 22-243 is really not that bad of a barrel burner. We have a government trapper in Wyoming that has been using a gun we built him for 5 years now and is just now replacing the barrel and he uses it exclusively. The benefit over say a 22-250 is awesome because now you can shoot the heavy 80 grain bullets with some of the highest BCs in the 22 claibers in a 26 inch barrel around 34-3800 FPS. So now your wind drift is very small. With WY opening up 22 calibers for big game, a lot of antelope got it with a 22-243 this year, very popular for the guys out west that play in the wind.



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lazuras_dc
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quoting would be the same thing as URL except you do [,quote,] and [,/,quote,] without the commas.
Derrick_Ratliff
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Yeah the 6.5s are really popular. I do about 60% of my guns right now are the 6.5 creedmoor. The 6.5 has a lot of advantages. High BC bullets in low weight, low recoil, fast, that are plenty for elk sized game.

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Why'd they go with a 6.5-257 wby over a .264 win mag? Just to be different? Or am I missing some advantage? Looks like they have about the same case capacity and dimensions but the 6.5-257 would have more expensive brass and the inconvenience of a wildcat.
Derrick_Ratliff
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A lot of people like the weatherby shoulder better. Better brass, matters to some people a lot. and Mccorter (spelled that wrong) Rifles is really pushing it on their TV show. They are about the same realistically.

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Pooh Ah
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Some good discussion comparing the 6.5 Creedmore and the 6.5mm-284 Norma:

Compared: Hornady's 6.5mm Creedmoor and the 6.5mm-284 Norma for F-Class Shooting

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120 grain 6.5mm Creedmoor

The vertical adjustment required at 1,000 yards is comparable with the 6.5-284, but the required windage adjustment in a 10 mph crosswind is 30% greater, which is not good. The velocity is very high which translates into a very short barrel life. Hornady was probably required to go with the 3,000+ fps velocity to compensate for the poor ballistic coefficient of the 120 grain A-Max bullet

As an experiment, I substituted a muzzle velocity of 2,900 fps into the Exbal program. The objective was to determine if a lower velocity (which would add to barrel life) would produce reasonable results. The calculated vertical adjustment at 1,000 yards was 30 MOA and the windage adjustment was 9.00 MOA. Both are totally unacceptable. The B.C. of 0.465 of the 120 grain A-Max bullet is a real problem at lower velocities. As such, if a shooter decides to use this factory load, he’d best have an extra barrel on order.

140 grain 6.5mm Creedmoor

This load holds promise, but with its 2,820 fps muzzle velocity, it is not as good as any of the “standard” the 6.5mm-284 Norma loads. For the 6.5mm Creedmoor to be considered by F-Class shooters it must be as good as or better than the 6.5mm-284 Norma at 1,000 yards, where virtually all F-Class competitions are won or lost. Unfortunately, it is not. Given the lower case capacity of the 6.5mm Creedmoor (~53 grains), compared to the 6.5mm x 284 Norma (~58 grains), it may not be possible to increase the muzzle velocity to a competitive level.

Conclusion

My conclusion is that the 6.5mm Creedmoor is a satisfactory cartridge for mid-range shooters who do not want to reload. However, it probably will not be competitive with the 6mm BR that most reloaders use in mid-range F-Class competitions.

The 6.5 Creedmoor has potential, but Hornady a lot of work to do before it will be seriously considered by the top F-Class shooters

Derrick_Ratliff
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Yes and no. I have killed animals out to 731 with my Creedmoor. Tell this guy its not a long range shooter
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6u1_twAPFu8

The 6.5-284 is about 100-150 FPS faster. But so is the 260. The advantage of the Creed as stated is good factory ammo. I can show you plenty of 1/4 moa Creeds with factory ammo. If you reload and dont mind a long action the 6.5-284 is great round. The creed fits into the mag with more room for deep seating and feeds and cycles better than say the 260. To each his own. I build guns for guys that like the 1000 yard plus paper but all my personal guns are 1/4 moa guns I hunt with. Thats the beauty of custom rifles, you get what you want. Heck just had a guy order a 300 RCM yesterday, dont see them often but a great overlooked round as well.


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Pooh Ah
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Thanks Horizon. Availability of factory ammo is a big deal, I agree.

The article was offered for everyone. I was not trying to provide a counter point as it was from the basis of an F-Class shooter and not long range hunter.

F-Class, especially F-Open, is basically a bench rest game shot from teh prone position and at 1,000 yards it is all about managing the wind.
Derrick_Ratliff
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True I would not be scared to shoot a 6.5 Creed in that situation, or a 6.5 saum, or a 6mm creed, 6 br, 6 xc, heck a 243 is way overlooked. John Burns shot a lot of crazy distances with a 243. Lots of good options, too many to choose from these days.

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