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Does cowbird taste like chicken?

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jbeaman88
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Mowing our property, I sometimes have about 50
Cattle Egrets chomping up bugs being stirred up by the tractor and brush hog. Made me wonder how good they might be if I shot a few as I rode along. Anybody ever tried them and if so, how was the taste?
FSGuide
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I might be wrong but it probably tastes like all the other federally protected birds do.

[This message has been edited by Fsguide (edited 7/14/2013 10:57p).]
CrottyKid
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^ delicious?
Log
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You like Federal jail time? Then feel free to start shooting them.

Brownheaded cowbirds on the other hand.........
Fishin Texas Aggie 05
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Brownheaded cowbird - sure what they hey

Cattle Egret - only if you think bald eagle or great horned all taste good


Lets just say you would "egret" doing it if caught
agrams
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nothing like a federally protected invasive species... someone explain that one to me...
jbeaman88
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Thanks for the heads up, guys. I didn't realize they are federally protected. Looking at the list, it seems to include many of the birds I shot as a kid such as Robin, Sparrow, Mockingbird, etc. Oh well, saves me from having to clean them. Probably tastes like crow anyway.
BrazosDog02
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Sparrow can't be protected. Is it? I've killed enough of those to spend 12 lifetimes in prison if so. Lol. More than a few egrets too. How a re those protected? Wierd.
aggiedent
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Depends on the sparrow. Some are invasive and breed like fire ants such as the House Sparrow. Some are critically endangered.
Iamsocool
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When they finally bring in Heartwater disease, we are going to wish we had shot them all...
Fishin Texas Aggie 05
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an African or European sparrow
ursusguy
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Keep in mind, Texas has 31 (depending on the source) species of sparrows. ALL but the English/house sparrow are technically protected. Granted, in good chunk of the state, if you are shooting sparrows, chances are you are shooting house sparrows. I would say, please don't shoot sparrows around grassland areas. There is a dang good chance then that you may be shooting sparrows that area declining rather rapidly.

So yall have the regulation---

--The only birds not protected by any state or federal law are European starlings, English sparrows, feral rock doves (common pigeon, Columba livia) and Eurasian collared-doves; these species may be killed at any time, their nests or eggs destroyed, and their feathers may be possessed.
--Yellow-headed, red-winged, rusty, or Brewer's blackbirds and all grackles, cowbirds (does not include cattle egret), crows, or magpies may be controlled without a federal or state depredation permit when found committing or about to commit depredations on ornamental or shade trees, agricultural crops, livestock, or wildlife, or when concentrated in numbers and in a manner that constitutes a health hazard or other nuisance.

Back in 2011, I got to learn way more about cattle egrets than I ever wanted to know about them due to the Carrollton egret situation. Somehow, even though I can't stand them, I'm now one of the go to folks one egrets and heronry management (really wish I was joking about that). One of the first questions I always got was if they aren't native, how are they covered under the MBTA. Heck, they weren't even nesting here until the 50's. Yell, unlike most of out other invasive bird species, cattle egrets got here on their own due to range expansion. They pretty much have the largest range expansion known.--Other little nugget, the USFWS did NOT want to add them, but some folks pushed the right buttons.

Now, there has been some limited movement legislatively to get them removed from the MBTA, but it tends to stall. Most of the representatives don't understand how the law works, and usually try and turn around and tell the local (say Fort Worth city staff) to "do something". Well they can't it's a federal issue. When they finally do see the light and start working on it, they discover that the MBTA is literally one of the toughest laws on the book to change simply due to that third letter. Once they discover everything that is involved, they either can't find a co-sponsor (the usual case), or they simply drop it.
MouthBQ98
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How are cattle egrets problematic?

I don't generally view natural range expansion as an unnatural process, because as regional climates change, and as environmental conditions adjust along with those fluctuations, different species will have opportunities open up for them. They sure do like to hang around shredders, that's for sure.
ursusguy
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Picture 8,000 of them taking up residence in the middle of a neighborhood, with 80 percent of the nests directly over the street. Now picture 2" of fecal matter covering everything. Google or YouTube "Carrollton egrets".

Normally, I would agree, but the Carrollton situation was bad.
confucius_ag
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Sounds like a ****ty situation.

I've seen them eat grasshoppers so they are ok in my book.
MouthBQ98
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Don't live in Carrollton? Man, that would kinda suck.
Stive
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Grackles can't be shot? Seriously?? Not that killing a billion of them would make a dent in the migrating population anyway...but...geez.



OnlyForNow
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Stive, see below

quote:
...all grackles, cowbirds (does not include cattle egret), crows, or magpies may be controlled without a federal or state depredation permit when found committing or about to commit depredations on ornamental or shade trees,...


You can kill them if it's legal to discharge a firearm where you live, if they are "about to crap on your tree"
EFE
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quote:
Grackles can't be shot? Seriously?? Not that killing a billion of them would make a dent in the migrating population anyway...but...geez.


Ahem...
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--Yellow-headed, red-winged, rusty, or Brewer's blackbirds and all grackles, cowbirds (does not include cattle egret), crows, or magpies may be controlled without a federal or state depredation permit when found committing or about to commit depredations on ornamental or shade trees, agricultural crops, livestock, or wildlife, or when concentrated in numbers and in a manner that constitutes a health hazard or other nuisance.

I'm pretty sure this language allows you control them with some level of prejudice. Ursus please chime in what methods of "control" are legal.
Stive
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I read that.....but the fact that there is ANY limit on wasting those noisy, annoying things blew my mind.



Carry on.

techno-ag
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Egrets were a huge problem in Bryan/College Station too, once upon a time.

http://www.texnews.com/1998/texas/egrets0606.html

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Linda Tschirhart, a wildlife damage management biologist, began work in Brazos County in October 1997 to handle not only egrets, but armadillos, bats, possums and snakes.

By the end of March, she had documented several egret scouts, but since has only had to deal with two clusters.

She said about 500 to 600 egrets were on the Texas A&M campus, and several hundred more were nested in the trees at the Bryan City Cemetery. Both groups were moved out about six weeks ago, she said.

"We used pyrotechnics," she said. Something similar to an oversized firecracker was shot out of the end of a starter pistol, making two different noises: a screaming sound as it flew through the air, followed by a small explosion.

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Some of the egrets that normally are in Bryan may have gone to other towns such as Mexia, 80 miles away. About 7,000 of the birds were reported in Mexia before Ms. Tschirhart spent a week and a half scattering the birds.
OnlyForNow
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And they could just open a short season on them and stop wasting money "disrupting" them.
ursusguy
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Now that it known how and when to do it, it's actually not that hard to get them to move. The catch is once they are actively nesting, Wildlife Services is the ONLY folks that can touch them.

Keep in mind over 800 species of birds are protected. Here is the funniest irony of the matter, it wasn't cattle egrets (not here yet) but egret on general that were the poster species for pushing through the MBTA. When you dig around and look at the history of the MBTA, and what the status of many species at the time, it's pretty eyeopening.
shiftyandquick
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ursus, are you familiar with the rookery over at UT Southwestern?
ursusguy
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Yes, it was the first one I had any association with. I'm actually working on a urban based rookery management video, and shot quite a bit of footage there due to the shear variety of birds seen there.

That is a rookery that has been active since the mid-60s. There really aren't too many issues, but there are a lot of busy bodies associated with it. The cat lovers didn't like it when I told the physical plant to disallow feeding cats, get rid of the feeding stations, and well, get rid of the cats.

So, yep, I know that one.
shiftyandquick
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they had feeding stations for cats in and about the rookery?
ursusguy
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Yeah, this was about 5-6 years ago. They had 5 feeding stations placed around the perimeter. Their idea being if they fed the cats, the cats would leave the birds alone. Unfortunately, it doesn't work that way, it attracts more cats.

As of a couple weeks ago, there was at least one hidden feeding/watering station (end of the "pond" straight down the hill from the basketball court--takeout box, cat food on one side and water on the other). They just shut down a watering station near the memorial parking, due to a pitbull hanging out and getting aggressive (not kidding).

We hit a jackpot near the northwest corner. My coworker spotted a cat hanging out in tree about 20 into the rookery, and within 10 feet of multiple nests.
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