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SanAntoneAg
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Interesting article.

For one who has had the opportunity to quail hunt the King Ranch one weekend 10 or 12 years ago, I was truly amazed at the number of deer blinds maintained on the fence lines by some of their neighbors.

Interesting comments (some), too.

http://www.caller.com/news/2012/mar/18/man-facing-criminal-hunting-charge-questions-his/

Man facing criminal hunting charge questions King Ranch's property boundary with his family's ranch

Man charged with hunting without landowner's consent
By David Sikes
Corpus Christi Caller Times
Posted March 18, 2012 at 1:40 a.m., updated March 18, 2012 at 7:57 a.m.

KINGSVILLE — Something about the atmosphere wasn't quite right at the modest Ramos home during the family's 2010 Christmas celebration.

Without his wife at the family ranch, Danny Cabrera felt awkward and out of place among all the kids, the gifts and the revelry. This was the second holiday since Cynthia had died of cancer in November 2009.

"I don't know how to describe it," Cabrera said. "It was like a panic attack or something. I just knew I needed to get out of there."

So the 52-year-old widower walked a short distance to be alone at a nearby creek. He brought along a hunting rifle but really didn't plan to shoot anything. It was after 4 p.m. when Cabrera arrived at a spot along San Fernando Creek very near to where he had shot his first deer when he was 6.

He also was within sight of the Laureles Division of the King Ranch, which the Cabrera family had shared a boundary with since the 1920s.

Reflections on hunting with his grandfather helped to relieve Cabrera's anxiety and to forget why he had wandered away from a house full of relatives.

He crawled into a deer blind with his thoughts and his gun. Around 5:15 p.m. Cabrera spotted a big black hog feeding across the creek south of his blind. As the pig got closer, Cabrera decided to take it, even though the hog would be difficult to retrieve from across the fairly wide creek.

This decision turned out to be a problem. King Ranch officials, who say they pursue dozens of poaching cases each year, insist the hog was shot on King Ranch property. During the summer of 2010, a note claiming that San Fernando Creek was the King Ranch property line had been posted on a feeder where the pig was shot. The feeder had been toppled.

The King Ranch note refers to a recent survey of the property as well as a line of purple posts marking the legal boundary along the creek. It read: "Please remove all feeders from this area promptly. Any animals harvested on this side of the creek will result in a filing of Hunting Without Landowners Consent (a Class A misdemeanor)."

A number was listed to call with questions.

King Ranch officials say they gave adequate notice of the survey to all their neighbors.

"I feel very comfortable (King Ranch) gave the individuals every opportunity for an amicable solution," wrote Dave Delaney, King Ranch vice president and general manager, in an email about the ranch's general practices in such matters.

Soon a Kleberg County court will settle the dispute, which Region X Major Game Warden Larry Young referred to in an email as a trespassing case.

From his hunting blind, Cabrera's aim was true, felling the 160-pound black hog immediately with a single shot to its head. What now? He waited a while, then waded across the muddy water.

Cabrera, a big man, wrestled the hog to the creek then floated it to the other side, where currents had carved a steep bank. It was too heavy. So the struggle ended there.

Cabrera phoned the house and summoned his nephew to bring a pickup. They tied one end of a rope to the pig and the other to the truck's trailer hitch, then dragged the animal several hundred yards to the house.

They cleaned, dressed and skinned the pig, hung it in the garage and went to bed on that chilly night. Cabrera awoke about midmorning and spotted a gobbler in the backyard, which he decided would make a nice holiday dinner. The celebration continued inside while Cabrera breasted the bird and butchered the hog.

Later a call came to the house from a close family friend who had just left the property and encountered a game warden on a road nearby. Game Warden Brad Meloni said he was investigating a report of a deer shot without permission that morning on the King Ranch. The young man pleaded ignorance and was allowed to leave.

Meloni's next stop was the ranch house. Cabrera greeted the uniformed officer near the gate.

The tone of this exchange was pleasant and friendly, Cabrera said. Again, Meloni asked about a King Ranch deer shot that morning.

Cabrera explained that he had shot a turkey earlier and a hog the previous evening, offering to show the officer both.

"I told him we don't hunt the King Ranch, that we hunt our property," Cabrera said. "I even offered to take him to where I'd shot the pig."

Meloni accepted the offer and the two men rode to the creek in Meloni's dark green pickup. The two men stood on the creek's west bank while Cabrera described the shooting of the pig and where it fell.

Cabrera said Meloni's response took him aback.

"He told me that was King Ranch property," Cabrera said. "And I explained the history and how we had been hunting that strip of land for generations. But he insisted that it was King Ranch."

Cabrera acknowledges periodic boundary disputes in the past between the King Ranch and property owners along San Fernando Creek and elsewhere. But Cabrera has always trusted the word of his late grandfather, who told him not to cross the fence on the east side of the creek and never to shoot anything beyond the barbed wire.

The King Ranch's Dave Delaney wrote in an email that sometimes when a creek forms a property line the King Ranch will erect fences some distance from the bank to keep them from being washed away by floodwaters.

"And people had the audacity to actually set feeders on our property, despite our telling them we had filed surveys that clearly delineated our property," he wrote in an email. "These are just some examples of what happens when you own 830,000, and everyone wants a piece of it. The ranch has been very neighborly and has worked well with our neighbors, most of whom are like-minded stewards of the environment and our wildlife resource."

Cabrera said he recalls at one time the fence was closer to the creek. And he acknowledged that King Ranch workers moved it eastward years ago to avert damage to the fence when the stream overflowed. He also said he recalls his family helping King Ranch cowboys round up cattle when these breaches occurred, allowing cows to wander onto Cabrera property.

Members of the Cabrera family, and Cabrera's attorney Mark Thering, said they do not consider a note posted on a feeder and signed by King Ranch employee Beau Hester as legal notice.

Cabrera's brother-in-law Leo Ramos called the number on the note and requested a meeting. That meeting occurred about a month after the pig was shot. Ramos said he and two neighbors with property that borders the King Ranch presented an argument to King Ranch officials to support their position that the ranch's survey was illegal or invalid based on a legal claim of adverse possession.

The law of adverse possession recognizes that most landowners will act promptly to remove a trespasser from their property. But if a person remains in possession of the land in question long enough they may acquire ownership of that property through adverse possession. Generally the period of possession may be between three and 25 years. This is similar to the concept of squatter's rights.

Ramos said the meeting ended amicably with a promise from King Ranch officials they would review his adverse possession claim and get back to him.

"They never did," Ramos said.

Instead, King Ranch officials filed their new survey with Kleberg County in February after that meeting with Ramos and two months after Cabrera shot the pig, Thering, Cabrera's attorney, said.

Cabrera said he had not read the note before shooting the pig and still has not read it. He noticed the purple markers along the creek around the time the note was posted, but said he did not discuss this with other family members. He said he thought the markers might indicate the route of a future pipeline. So he checked with Kleberg County officials, but they couldn't help. Then he contacted Exxon, which also couldn't solve the mystery.

During his creekside conversation with the game warden, Cabrera said he got the sense this was not about poaching a deer or hog. It was about the ongoing property dispute.

"He came there saying he was looking for a deer, but now he was telling me this was not our property," Cabrera said. "This went against what my family had known for generations. At some point, I realized this was not about a deer."

Cabrera said he and Meloni returned to the house, where the game warden spoke with other family members, photographed the hog and took a blood sample from it. He checked Cabrera's driver's license and hunting license.

"I asked him, 'Are we in trouble here?' " Cabrera said. "He said as far as he was concerned his investigation was over."

The encounter ended pleasantly with a handshake, Cabrera said.

Meloni's supervisor, Major Larry Young, said department policy prevents an officer from commenting on a pending case. The Caller-Times received Meloni's written offense report from Texas Parks & Wildlife attorney Laura Russell. All of the report's narrative was redacted.

Russell said she had earlier received a letter from Diane Elizondo, an assistant county attorney with the Kleberg County Attorney's Office, requesting that the Parks and Wildlife Department withhold the information to prevent interference with the case. A phone call to the Kleberg County Attorney's Office was not returned.

The Caller-Times sent an open records request for the report on Feb. 6. Russell forwarded this request to the Texas Attorney General's Office for a ruling. On March 8 the request was denied.

About two months after Cabrera's encounter with Meloni on a February afternoon, Cabrera received a call from his nephew, saying his name was in the Kingsville Record newspaper. Cabrera had been criminally indicted on a charge of killing an exotic animal (swine) without the landowner's permission, a Class A misdemeanor, which could result in a fine as much as $4,000 and a year in prison.

Cabrera, who lives in Houston, contacted the Kleberg County Courthouse to verify they were looking for him.

"They said I should turn myself in, but that I should drive slowly because if I get caught speeding there is a warrant for my arrest," Cabrera said.

So he made the trip, saw a judge, spent several hours in jail and was released on a personal recognizance bond.

Cabrera said he's a fan of Texas history and has long been fascinated by the King Ranch's rich heritage.

"I've always respected and admired what they mean to the culture of South Texas," Cabrera said. "But I don't respect this kind of behavior. They're not acting in a neighborly manner. This is all about intimidation."

Cabrera said he believes he has done nothing wrong and will not be intimidated.

"My grandpa told me something a long time ago, after I got caught doing something wrong as a little kid," Cabrera said. "I'll never forget this. He told me you're too big to hide and too slow to run, so you'd better live your life right. Otherwise you're going to get caught. And that's how I've always lived my life."

The trial is set for April 23.

EFE
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Sounds like the ranch is up to it's old ways again
Doctor51
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All of this over a stupid wild hog.
TexAg_05
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Or the more likely scenario - they're right.
HuntingGMan
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I saw this article in Sunday's paper. Sounded to me like the King Ranch originally thought one of their prize deer had been poached by a neighbor. They flexed their muscle with a complaint and then found themselves in a bad spot when it turned out to be a pig. By then, however, it was too late to turn back. They couldn't back down on their poaching claim, even if it was just for a pig.
Bobby Ewing
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I stopped reading after the article says he engaged a wild hog.

****ing stupid. Geez we're fighting wild hog rights now?

[This message has been edited by Triplefour (edited 3/19/2012 8:55p).]
FIDO*98*
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There is another lesson to be learned here.

"Yes officer, I'm willing to cooperate with your investigation. Have a seat until I can get my attorney here"
SWCBonfire
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Sounds to me like he has an adverse possession claim!
techno-ag
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A feral pig is an exotic animal?

Seriously, he did the ranch a favor if it was on their property. Terrible, terrible PR.
ursusguy
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Technically yes.
Reel Aggies
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Man, I remember before the King Ranch plowed up all that brush land off bypass hwy 77 between Bishop and Kingsville, some huge deer. I remember hunting when I was in high school on 20 acres right off the hwy that bordered the ranch, and my buddy shooting a huge buck that ran and jumped the fence onto the KR side and dropped about 150yds away......
sunchaser
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Many, many years ago Exxon had a large tank battery. Inside the fenced area they had created a large fresh water pit for drilling and workover operations...complete with water supply well. It had been there a long time. The field forman over the years had brought buckets of perch and bass as stock.

From time to time he would break out a casting rod and do a little catch and release while waiting on a truck etc. One of the ranch employees saw him one day and the KR tried to get him fired. Exxon bowed their neck and said, "No!"

WayUpNorth
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Typically king ranch screw everyone I'm better than u attitude. I used to work for them and everyday something unethical was being done. Sad story but I hope this man screws kr back. When I was there I shot hundreds of hogs and we left them lay. That was our instruction by Dave delany and upper management. King ranch has their pants down and doesn't want to fess up to there screw up. Worst part of Texas history and I'm embarrassed to say I worked for them.
agsalaska
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Yea I am not from South Texas but, other than the land itself, I have never heard one good thing about the King Ranch or the people associated with it.
MasterAggie
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I stopped reading after the article says he engaged a wild hog.

****ing stupid. Geez we're fighting wild hog rights now?


Well you shouldn't have because that isn't what it is about. I'm not saying who is right or wrong. The king ranch should back down and the boundary should be recognized between the two parties involved. Luckily it was a damn pig not a deer that was in question but if it is their property it is.

What's more this board has become obcessed with the adverse possession bulls*** which is exactly what it is. Really. Do you want to advocate theft? That is exactly what that bulls*** claim is.
EFE
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Umm... By supporting the KR you may be advocating some of the most egregious theft in Texas history
MasterAggie
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When I was there I shot hundreds of hogs and we left them lay. That was our instruction by Dave delany and upper management.


You do realize there is nothing wrong with doing that right? Again not taking their side in this argument. I'll be creating a good pile of them myself pretty soon.
aggie0959
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My granddad ran a lot of oil on the KR back it the 70's. He had a hunting lease on a property that boreded the KR and my mom tells stories of missing the biggest buck she has ever seen as it jump back in to the KR, as it landed on the other side my grand dad yelled at her to not stop shooting till it hit the ground.
WayUpNorth
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Point is they instruct to have hundreds killed and yet raise holy hell on the poor guy for one hog!
Bobby Ewing
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Kleberg Building = ????????



GottaRide
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I am kind of surprised at some of the responses here. The guy clearly saw the purple posts, and even acknowledges that the fence was moved farther from the creek years earlier to keep it from getting washed out. He even knows there have been disputes in the past about the creek being the boundary.

I have caught poachers on our land in the past, and I don't care what they were after, they were trespassing. It sounds like the King Ranch went above and beyond.
Cole97
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poaching is poaching.

The guy keeps saying his grandfather told him he could hunt there and he will. To me this means he will hunt there no matter if it is a hog or a buck.

The guy was poaching, period.

The boundary was marked, he admitted he saw the markings, and he ignored them.

Sure, it sucks this is happening over a hog, but it doesn't matter. He had no business shooting anything on their land.
EFE
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Was Mr. Cabrera allowed to hire an independent surveyor to double check the supposed property lines? Seems like good neighbors would allow for this
agsalaska
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My guess is the King Ranch has a zero tolerance policy on this sort of thing. Similar to a retail company that has a zero prosecutes all internal theft no matter what the reason.

It is almost impossible to say whether or not the accused realized what he was doing. If he has hunted that land for decades and been raised to believe that was his land than I can see why he might not have thought much of the purple stakes. Ignorance is not a defense but cold be cause to drop the suit. The problem is they cant. If they do it could hurt them in their battle for the property itself not to mention the precedent set for future excuses.

Kenneth_2003
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If I read that right, then the KR needs to move their dang fence then. If a survey has shown their perimeter fence to be in the wrong spot then they're in the wrong. As long as that fence was built in good faith. As someone else has posted, adverse possession.

I've lived in South Texas for 3.5 years now, and have heard nothing good about the KR.
Walter Kovacs
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Cabrera said he had not read the note before shooting the pig and still has not read it. He noticed the purple markers along the creek around the time the note was posted, but said he did not discuss this with other family members. He said he thought the markers might indicate the route of a future pipeline. So he checked with Kleberg County officials, but they couldn't help. Then he contacted Exxon, which also couldn't solve the mystery.


i'm not condoning anyone's actions, but this guy is a moron. the purple paint law has been around for 15 years. it can also be found on page 20 of the outdoor annual.
agsalaska
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I would be interested to get a lawyers point of view, but as I understand it he would have trouble claiming adverse possession.


And there are fence lines all over Texas that are not directly on the property line, some for that very reason, and there are miles of property lines that are not fenced.


The only real part that bothers me about it is the reaction of the game warden. But thats Texas I guess.
EFE
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So the guy only checks what his county bag limits are in the annual, then when when he calls the county and Exxon the two seceratarys he talks to don't know anything about purple fence posts? If I were uninformed I might figure I had covered my bases outside of reading legaleze in a moldy ziplock taped to a purple fence post or a deer feeder
ursusguy
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So you can see the technicality--
"Exotic livestock" means grass-eating or
plant-eating, single-hooved or cloven-hooved mammals that are not indigenous to this state and are known as ungulates, including animals from the swine, horse, tapir, rhinoceros, elephant, deer, and antelope families but not including a mammal defined by Section
63.001, Parks and Wildlife Code, as a game animal, or by Section 71.001, Parks and Wildlife Code, as a fur-bearing animal, or any other indigenous mammal regulated by the Parks and Wildlife Department as an endangered or threatened species. The term does not include a nonindigenous mammal located on publicly owned land.

Though I am curious if 142.0021 (OWNERSHIP OF EXOTIC WILDLIFE AND FOWL) could potentially come into play. I don't know, just find it interesting.
Bluto
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Sounds like the guy may have had some idea that the property line had moved/been amended/been updated, but he didn't pursue his questioning far enough to get a solid answer. He was concerned enough to call Exxon and a couple of other places, but didn't see it all the way through. May have been best not to shoot something over in no man's land. The fact that it was a hog makes this seem trivial, but if it would've been a trophy buck it would be a much bigger story.

And what's with the squatter's rights bs??? If the property line was incorrectly marked, and it is corrected at some point, that doesn't mean that the person gets to keep land that's not theirs just because it's been 25 years. What kind of crap is that??
Log
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The KR moving the fenceline and sticking a note to a deer feeder is pretty piss poor IMO, and I think this is going to be what gets this thrown out. If they were that concerned about the fenceline, they should have approached each and every landowner along the fenceline about their intent to conduct a new survey. Everybody would have been officially informed this way.

Doing it the way they did it is shady.
Kenneth_2003
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Log I thought the exact same thing right after I posted my original comment. I just don't see how a note taped to a knocked over feeder counts for proper notification. That's the kind of thing that any other person would handle in person or via registered mail. The KR is a business and should be conducting themselves accordingly.
BrazosDog02
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Lol at king ranch doing jack ****.
Doc Hayworth
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I don't believe they will prove adverse possession.

First off, he admitted that the fence has been moved in his lifetime to avoid flood waters. That in itself is not giving up land to an adjoiner.

Second, if their survey called for the creek, which is a natural monument, and atop the list of dignity of calls, then it doesn't matter if the King Ranch places their fence a half mile from the creek, everything to the creek is still King Ranch property.

Third, placing a feeder would not be considered hostile occupation. IMO, that would not constitute adverse possession.

The only thing that could save him and allow him to win an adverse possession case, would be if he made improvements to the area, ie: farming, orchard, etc, indicating open and notorious ownership.

I can see how him taking his grandfathers word would affect how he feels about the ownership, but unless they actuall had a survey of their own, disputing what the King Ranch is telling them, they basically have no leg to stand on in court.
schmellba99
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Log has it correct.

Not being a landowner in that sense, I don't know what the rules are, but my gut tells me that if you are having your property line surveyed, you need to advise the adjoining landowner so that any disputes are brought to the table and rectified prior to filing with the county.

Otherwise, you have a huge and powerful landowner like the King Ranch basically able to remark property lines at their will without much in the way of recourse for the smaller landowners adjoining their property.

Much like adverse posession, this could easily lead to a situation where the larger (and richer) landowner can legally (and forcibly) take land from smaller landowners, which is just bad buisiness all the way around.

The guy in the story should have known that the purple markers indicated property boundaries, but the flip side is that if his family had been hunting and using that small parcel of land for generations (as stated in the article), then there is good ground for him to stand on as there is an understood agreement between his family and the KR about the use of that property.

Piss poor methodology of managing this issue by the KR.
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