Cops harass, threaten to shoot law abiding gun owner
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Last: 14 yr ago by AC Hopper
That makes me all kinds of pissed off!!!
I'm with you, AC
Even though he was legally carrying, he should have done what the LEO asked him to do and this would not have escalated. Failure to follow a LEO's legal instructions is a crime in itself.
Interesting.
There's another thread here about the poster who had the bicycle cop flash the flashlight in his face as he passed by. I commented on that thread and was told I had some "irrational hatred" towards cops.
It's almost comical to think about those responses after reading this thread... and many other stories like it beforehand. There's a reason many law abiding citizens have a distrust of cops.... and this thread is just one of many examples why.
There's another thread here about the poster who had the bicycle cop flash the flashlight in his face as he passed by. I commented on that thread and was told I had some "irrational hatred" towards cops.
It's almost comical to think about those responses after reading this thread... and many other stories like it beforehand. There's a reason many law abiding citizens have a distrust of cops.... and this thread is just one of many examples why.
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Even though he was legally carrying, he should have done what the LEO asked him to do and this would not have escalated. Failure to follow a LEO's legal instructions is a crime in itself.
Does failure to "get on one's knees" yet complying with everything else warrant having a cop threaten to shoot you? I think not.
You can attempt to defend the cops in this one.... but it seems more than blatantly obvious they were in the wrong here.
That is absolute bulls**t. LEOs directly involved need to be released from duty. My dad is a state trooper (30 years now)and will tell you right off the bat these guys, and persons like them, have no business being in Law Enforcement.
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quote:that's incredibly naive.
Even though he was legally carrying, he should have done what the LEO asked him to do and this would not have escalated.
The cops are in the wrong here, but if I had one drawing down telling me to get on my knees, I would be following his orders instead of questioning/arguing with him. What's pitiful is they didn't even know the law and the average citizen did.
This guy didn't handle it as well as he should have, but I don't believe it was going to go any better for him no matter what he did. I'm not a cop hater by any stretch, but this cop was going to get pissed as soon as he was told he didnt know the law.
Observation from the tape. The recording begins very early. Like before the guy supposedly wheeled around to see the cop with his gun drawn.
Observation from the tape. The recording begins very early. Like before the guy supposedly wheeled around to see the cop with his gun drawn.
Right or wrong, you start arguing with a cop and it's going to escalate.
And who carries a recorder with them?
And who carries a recorder with them?
CONSPIRACY THEORISTS! He might be one of those that does walk around looking for trouble. He could be out baiting the cops. haha. He went fishing and caught a keeper!
There's more to this story.
The "law abiding gun owner" is an idiot who intentionally open carried into an area where he knew the likelihood of this happening was pretty high for the sole purpose of making a political statement. It was not by accident that he had a tape recorder on him. He readily admitted this on one of the gun forums I frequent. The cops overreacted for sure, but the "victim" here is an idiot. He actively sought out this encounter and he got it. He's just lucky he didn't get shot.
[Not defending the cops here. They were clearly in the wrong.]
[This message has been edited by Hoss (edited 5/20/2011 1:34p).]
The "law abiding gun owner" is an idiot who intentionally open carried into an area where he knew the likelihood of this happening was pretty high for the sole purpose of making a political statement. It was not by accident that he had a tape recorder on him. He readily admitted this on one of the gun forums I frequent. The cops overreacted for sure, but the "victim" here is an idiot. He actively sought out this encounter and he got it. He's just lucky he didn't get shot.
[Not defending the cops here. They were clearly in the wrong.]
[This message has been edited by Hoss (edited 5/20/2011 1:34p).]
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Even though he was legally carrying, he should have done what the LEO asked him to do and this would not have escalated.
I agree that he should have done everything the officer asked of him to the T....i don't think it would have made a single bit of difference here though.
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Mark made a post about this incident on a PA gun forum:
I was visiting my mother today in Philadelphia to help her around the house and spend time with her. While there, I walked over to the local AutoZone to pick up a part for my car. I was OC due to the (finally) gorgeous weather.
I have learned to always keep my recorder on me and recording when I am in public in Philadelphia, due to the over-zealous nature of the police, and today, I am glad I followed that rule.
As I walked down the street towards the store, I caught a glimpse of a Philadelphia Police cruiser out of the corner of my eye, traveling in the same direction I was.
A few moments later, I hear a vehicle’s transmission roughly slam into “P” very close by.
“Hey, Junior!” comes a voice from the other side of the squad car.
“Junior?!” I replied, as I turned around. I thought to myself, that’s kind of a condescending way to greet someone, isn’t it? As I turned, I prepared to ask the police officer what I could help him with.
It was then that I noticed the officer had his gun trained on my chest.
At least seven officers, 5 squad cars, and a threat of a taser later, I found out what it was like to sit in the back of a paddywagon.
The cop is an idiot and did not handle this well at all. I doubt he still has his job. Nothing worse than having someone who does not know the law enforcing it.
Interesting that he always keeps his recorder handy when he is in the city because of the "over-zealous nature of the police". Almost makes it sound like he was looking for trouble.
Its too bad that we do not live in a society where everyone knows everything, no one makes mistakes and we could open carry whenever we feel like it and no one would think twice about it.
It seems pretty obvious just by the fact that he carried the voice recorder he was "baiting" the cops into doing something stupid, but that isn't a bad thing. He knows what the law is and also knows that there are power tripping cops out there who don't, so he purposefully exposed them. Good for him, and screw ******* cops like these, I hope they are never allowed to hide behind their badges again.
it's bad he went looking for trouble, but.. the trouble was already there. He exposed it, hopefully cleaning it up and the cop is gone. I wouldn't do what he did, takes some guts to play like that with guns trained on you.
And that cop had no reason to tell him to get on his knees, and he was right not to comply. Just because a cop tells you to do something doesn't mean you should do it.
I can't believe that SOB would walk around carrying a gun just because he has the right to do so. And he carried it ON PURPOSE!
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Almost makes it sound like he was looking for trouble.
He was. He's a member on either GlockTalk or AR15.com (can't remember which) and a lengthy discussion came up on this incident shortly after it happened. He admitted there that he was carrying the recorder because he expected a confrontation with the Philly police. He open carried not because it was a beautiful day but because he wanted to make a statement.
He's an idiot in my book. Those cops are too, but he's not innocent in this by any means.
Hoss, you are an idiot in my book.
Whether or not the guy was "looking for trouble" is really irrelevant based on the reading, because in all reality he was simply walking down the street.
Addintionally, simply firing the officers seems a bit light to me. If an officer has no reason to pull and train his weapon on you, but does so for the purpose of intimidation, that is the same thing as a CCW pulling their weapon to me.
The police officers were 100% in the wrong on this one.
Addintionally, simply firing the officers seems a bit light to me. If an officer has no reason to pull and train his weapon on you, but does so for the purpose of intimidation, that is the same thing as a CCW pulling their weapon to me.
The police officers were 100% in the wrong on this one.
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he's not innocent in this by any means.
He's actually completely innocent, he didn't break any laws. Just because he knows his rights are going to be infringed on doesn't mean he should lose his rights.
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Good for him, and screw ******* cops like these, I hope they are never allowed to hide behind their badges again.
This.
And as far as carrying a recorder on you, I suppose most of you don't have your cell phones on you when you go to town?
I get amazed at how many "gun rights proponents" we supposedly have on this board that will openly go against gun rights.
I get amazed at how many "gun rights proponents" we supposedly have on this board that will openly go against gun rights.
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Hoss, you are an idiot in my book.
I'll refrain from saying what I now think of you, but thanks for letting me know where I stand.
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What crime is it exactly that he is guity of?
I guess I'm not sure how the guy in question went "looking" for this incident. He was legally open carrying.... so what? He was carrying a recorder. So what? Both are legal. It's not like the guy was standing in front of a podium on the sidewalk with a megaphone, waving a gun around.
You can defend the cops all you want... but this guy did A) nothing wrong B) nothing illegal C) absolutely nothing to warrant this treatment by the cops.
Crap like this is why law enforcement gets a bad rap. And until they get it until control and actually bother to learn the laws they're charged with enforcing... then they deserve whatever backlash they get.
They went out of THEIR way to seek this guy out and harass him. Not the other way around.
You can defend the cops all you want... but this guy did A) nothing wrong B) nothing illegal C) absolutely nothing to warrant this treatment by the cops.
Crap like this is why law enforcement gets a bad rap. And until they get it until control and actually bother to learn the laws they're charged with enforcing... then they deserve whatever backlash they get.
They went out of THEIR way to seek this guy out and harass him. Not the other way around.
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I'll refrain from saying what I now think of you, but thanks for letting me know where I stand.
By all means, I'd like to know. I just can't understand the logic behind calling someone an idiot for exposing corruption.
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Interesting that he always keeps his recorder handy when he is in the city because of the "over-zealous nature of the police". Almost makes it sound like he was looking for trouble.
Funny you would say that, after all the news these past few months about cops going ballistic for being recorded/photographed, and after it happened on North Gate in College Station (guy photographed cops roughing up a bum, cops threaten to take guy in and confiscate his phone if he didn't delete) I've become more wary of police. I have apps on my phone now that automatically upload any photo i take to Picasa and Flickr, and any video I take is uploaded to Qik. If I'm ever forced to delete anything, or my phone is "accidentally" damaged, it won't matter b/c my 4G phone already backed up the data.
Hoss,
Without those willing to, "fall on their sword" if you will, to make a political statement we would still be sipping tea.
Just a thought...
Without those willing to, "fall on their sword" if you will, to make a political statement we would still be sipping tea.
Just a thought...
Hoss... if he's "not innocent" then by default, he must be guilty of something... some sort of crime. Please enlighten us on what crime he's guilty of commiting.
TIA
TIA
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