i picked up some surplus .45acp from here:
http://www.rguns.net/ammo.shtml#IMI45

I ordered a lot of 1000 and received 1007 actual cartridges. Seven of which were unshootable (crushed, missing primer(x2), messed up primer(x2), corroded HP, bent) 189 were not 230 grain ball, but rather a reverse-ogive bullet shape that I am guessing is roughly 150 grains (no scale to check). As well as 27 flat nosed, approximately 200 grain bullets, and two slim round nosed. I have yet to actually cycle any of them.

Most of the ball ammo is marked "TZZ 85" with some marked "TZZ 85 MATCH".

Most all of the reverse ogive bullets are marked "IMI 45ACP"

Though not completely shiny, the slight corrosion is smooth and I dont see it affecting the feed.








just thought i would share.


Edited to update photo links.

[This message has been edited by 35chililights (edited 1/11/2011 7:44a).]

Thanks for the heads up

The RGuns in Illinois has an awful reputation for a number of reasons.

well i figured it being 1980's production surplus it wouldnt be what you would get out of a box of winchester white box, but I figured at .27 cents a round for 45 ACP I couldnt go too wrong.

i do have a question though, some of the reverse-ogive rounds are set a tad low in the brass. They may all be, but it is more noticeable on the reverse-ogive rounds as the bullet has something to gauge seating depth near the top of the brass (if that makes sense). The question: Is there any harm in firing them? I ask because the bullet already has further to travel before it hits the lands and grooves by design.

I ordered a case of their 5.45 back in November, and the only complaint I have is that it took awhile to get it. Not that it mattered, since I just now ordered my AK-74 from Atlantic.

That being said, I've heard some horror stories about the 5.56/7.62 that they have. 35 looks like he got a good lot of the .45, so I'm kind of on the fence. I wouldn't mind getting some more of both 5.56 and 7.62, but I don't want to get burned with unusable ammo.

If the bullet is set back too deep there can be overpressure problems. Basically the deeper the bullet is seated the less volume there is inside the case. This causes higher pressures when the powder is ignited. 45 ACP is a pretty low pressure round so it might not be as big of a problem but it's something to consider if some of the rounds are seated significantly deeper.

I have no experience with those bullets. If i pull one, how do I determine proper seating depth? Any ideas where to look for info on them?

Pull one and weigh it. If it's in the area of 230 grain ball, I think the OAL lenght for the cartridge should be around 1.275" or so. If it's below about 1.20", I wouldn't shoot it personally.

Just checked - 1.275" maximum overall length for milspec.

Get you a Lee loading manual or google it - there is about a million different sites that will tell you.

The reverse ogive (I'm referring to those with the flat sub-caliber nose) rounds are the 45 ACP equivalent of SWC target rounds-compare the weight to a 230 grain FMJ and they will come in around 165-185 grains. They should be OK but you may have some feeding problems.


You can use them up for target shooting by making the the first one out of the first magazine you shoot, then regular FMJ roundnose to follow. You will burn the SWC up in no time.


[This message has been edited by Aggiefan54 (edited 1/9/2009 9:47p).]

what is the purpose of using that design? I read that the more skinny reverse-ogive rounds are for deep penetration (link:http://www.quarry.nildram.co.uk/THV.htm), but these are a shape that does not mimmic the ones in the link.

Only advantage I see in using them is that you have less lead and therefore they would be cheaper to produce.

The SWC style bullets have a sharper edge at the transition from the cone to a full caliber and that gives you nice clean holes in a paper target versus the ragged ones a round nose makes.

When you are shooting for competitive score, that may make the difference of a higher score by a clean edged hole touching a scoring ring compared to a ragged hole that just misses the ring.

i just now made the connection that SWC means semi-wadcutter.

wow.


i read your post, and i thought in my head, "well thats the same purpose as shooting wadcutters...."


"oh. man i am dense tonight."