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Fishin Texas Aggie 05
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ok guys this is a serious question so no remarks about holding a bag between your legs and whistling. are snipes considered a waterfowl species and can you use lead shot on them and what is the possession limit

thanks i can imagine the responses already.
Max06
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Waterfowl referrs to ducks, geese, mergansers, and coots. Snipes are none of these, so lead shot is appropriate.

Bag is 8, aggregate is 16

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UnderoosAg
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quote:
Believe it or not, real snipes do exist, and are found in plentiful enough numbers to warrant a hunting season. In fact, real snipe hunters can pursue the bird (which is classified as a migratory game bird) from November through mid-February each year. A hunting license with state and federal migratory bird stamps are all that’s required to hunt. The limit in 2006 was eight snipes per day and 16 in possession.



http://www.tpwmagazine.com/archive/2007/mar/legend/

http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/huntwild/hunt/season/animal_listing/#snipe
Fishin Texas Aggie 05
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Cool thanks for the input, so my next question is when is snipe season?
Max06
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Nov 1, 2008 - Feb 15, 2009
Max06
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all this info is listed in the 2008 Outdoor Annual
FullDraw
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If you can locate the birds it's quite the kick in the azz hunting snipes. You don't really need a dog and they flare up and get moving away in a hurry. Thankfully they usually make a call when they flare. Fast shootin'.
Fishin Texas Aggie 05
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what page Pam I guess I looked over it , but thanks for your patience
mwlkr
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No toe-sacks? Bummer.
CanyonAg77
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tow sack, not toe

A large sack made from loosely woven, coarse material goes by a variety of names in regional American English. The most general term is burlap bag, known everywhere but used especially in the Northeast. In the Midwest and West the usual term is gunnysack, which ultimately comes from the Sanskrit word gon, meaning “jute or hemp fiber.” In the Upper South such a sack is called a tow sack, and in Eastern North Carolina, a tow bag. (The word tow is another synonym for fabric made from jute or hemp and probably derives from an Old English word for “spinning.”) In South Carolina and adjacent parts of Georgia, it is called a crocus sack, and in the Gulf states, a croker sack, both terms deriving from the word crocus. According to Craig M. Carver, who draws on the research of Walter S. Avis, “Crocus is a coarse, loosely woven material once worn by slaves and laborers and common in colonial New England. It probably took its name from the sacks in which crocus or saffron was shipped.” Though the term crocus sack virtually disappeared from New England by the end of the 19th century, it survives in the South.

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Max06
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what page Pam I guess I looked over it , but thanks for your patience


Page 71, last bullet before "Nongame and Other Species"
GurmTsu
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Has a new, updated book been printed?
Pg. 71 in my book has the map of Texas with the different zones but no season listed.
andyboz
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Anyone else think being able to shoot them with lead is a bit...

for lack of a better word... stupid?

I really don't know any other word to say. 90% of these birds are found in the same areas as your ducks and geese, atleast in the cases and places where I have shot and encountered them. Yet, because the bird itself doesn't seem to have any ill effects from the lead shot, (I guess they go after smaller rocks/pebbles) we can shoot them with lead?
Max06
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http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/publications/nonpwdpubs/media/outdoor_annual_2008_2009.pdf
Max06
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Andy- I agree. Snipes are essentially 'shorebirds', primarily feeding off of inverts and small fish and lesser quantities of vegetation. The problem with lead shot is not being hit with a lead pellet, the effect is from ingesting the lead where is causes lead poisoning within the body. So, using lead shot in a wetland area is indeed pretty stupid.

Verbatim from the Outdoor Annual:
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Nontoxic Shot: While waterfowl hunting, only nontoxic shot approved by the director of the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service may be possessed. Lead shot is unlawful!

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Waterfowl: Includes ducks, geese, mergansers, and coots.


No where are snipes listed as waterfoul, so lead may be used.
ursusguy
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It'll probably be there in the not so distant future. USFWS is really pushing for ALL migratory bird shot be non-lead only.

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andyboz
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The act of eating the lead is what the problem is I know, but i imagine that snipe ingest the lead as well.
Max06
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Snipes eat relatively little vegetation copared to waterfowl do so they will not be impacted as much. However, if you are discharging lead shot in the same fields that waterfowl forage in, enforcing non-tox for waterfowl but not snipes is pretty counterproductive.

Yes- there are a lot fewer people hunting snipes than other waterfowl but there is still going to be a whole lot of lead shot that makes it to the feeding grounds where the waterfowl will pick it up.
tamc91
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I usually shoot a half dozen or so snipe per season. However, I only shoot them when I am duck hunting and they happen to fly too close and the ducks are slow. Since there is overlap in waterfowl and snipe seasons, even if you plan to hunt snipe primarily, I would take non-toxic shot only. That way, if a duck flies over you can shoot at them to without worry.

I usually use 3s or 4s (2 3/4" or 3" ) and haven't really had any problem hitting them with steel. They are very fast so I generally take only the high probability shots.

The breast is about the size of a whitewing and they are good to eat.

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Fishin Texas Aggie 05
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In that case I shot 2 snipes on Sunday go me! the breasts looked similar to a dove but they were waterfowl red not that peachy dove color.
FullDraw
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Tons of dove hunters shoot "tons" of lead in the same areas duck hunters use down in SE TX. It's seemed wacky to everyone that you could shoot doves w lead in the same areas duck blinds are set up ever since, oh steel shot was mandatory.
ursusguy
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Oh, that may be changing in the near future (as in next couple years).
35chililights
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so all the lead shot i have will be unlawful?

damnit.
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