Def/ST Yahoo Scoring Question

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Enviroag02
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So I lost this week by 0.76 pts. My opponent played Seattle's Def/ST. Currently, Seattle's Def is credited with a fumble recovery of the Dwayne Harris muffed punt. Just looking at the NFL rules I'm curious why it is scored as such:

Yahoo says this about fumble recoveries: "In order for a player to receive credit for a fumble recovery in Yahoo Sports Fantasy Football leagues, there must be a change of possession
between teams on the play."

NFL Rules State this about muffed punts: "A Muff is the touching of a loose ball by a player in an unsuccessful attempt to obtain possession of it. "

NFL Rule also states"A loose ball (either during or after flight) is considered in possession of team (offense) whose player kicked, passed, or fumbled."

So if the loose ball was still in possession of the kicking team, and Dwayne Harris did not gain possessions by muffing the ball, , then why is considered a change in possession thereby warranting a "fumble recovery" credit?
Señor Chang
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It's the Cowboys ball by default. If the returner never touches the ball and just lets it roll, the Cowboys would have possession.
Ag_07
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Not per the NFL rules stated above.

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NFL Rule also states"A loose ball (either during or after flight) is considered in possession of team (offense) whose player kicked, passed, or fumbled."

Sounds like a legit beef.
Enviroag02
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The problem I have is that I'm the commissioner so if Yahoo doesnt correct it, and they wont based on past games I've looked at...I'm screwed. In Week 3 Chicago's D was credited for a fumble recovery +2 after a NY Jet muffed a punt.
gougler08
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ESPN gave credit to Denver/Seattle/etc for their muffed punt recoveries as well, so it's not just a Yahoo thing

Pretty sure it's been this way for quite some time...but I've never dug in to it
Enviroag02
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I probably wont push the issue, as I'm not sure I could effect a change. I as commissioner could change it, but if I'm the only one that benefits from it and Yahoo has decided to score it how they do, then I come off looking really bad. Sucks though to lose my first game by 0.76 pts when it shouldnt be a loss in the first place.
UnderoosAg
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So if the loose ball was still in possession of the kicking team, and Dwayne Harris did not gain possessions by muffing the ball, , then why is considered a change in possession thereby warranting a "fumble recovery" credit?


Without digging up the rules, I would imagine Harris touching the ball changed possession.
Enviroag02
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according the NFL rules that is incorrect. By definition a muff is failure to gain possession.
Ag_07
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It's a legit glitch but being as it's your first loss I wouldn't sweat it. It's not worth the d-bag perception you'll get by your league members. Now if you were 1-4 needing a win to stay alive this season I may think about taking action but you'll be fine.
UnderoosAg
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This is describing OT rules, but still describes possession.

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There's two instances in which that could really come into play," McKay said. "One would be the onside kick and the other would be if the team receiving a punt muffed the punt. At that point they're deemed to have possessed the ball."


http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/01/06/onside-kick-or-muffed-punt-would-count-as-overtime-possession/
UnderoosAg
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I would also just chalk it up to FF scoring. There are no bonuses or PPR in real life. Yahoo, and everyone else apparently, awarded the Seahawks D/ST 2 points for "getting the ball back."
Enviroag02
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quote:
This is describing OT rules, but still describes possession.

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There's two instances in which that could really come into play," McKay said. "One would be the onside kick and the other would be if the team receiving a punt muffed the punt. At that point they're deemed to have possessed the ball."


http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/01/06/onside-kick-or-muffed-punt-would-count-as-overtime-possession/
Actually the article says each team is guaranteed the "opportunity" to possess the ball once. It does not say each team gets one possession. So a punt being muffed is NOT a change in possession based on NFL rules, but is the receiving teams loss of the "opportunity" to possess the ball.

but yes I agree all FF scoring systems score it as such...doesnt make it right though.
Enviroag02
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anybody know when stat corrections take place for the week?
Squirrel Master
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I getting what you're saying when you try to parse the rule book like this, but muffed punts recovered by the kicking team are pretty universally regarded as turnovers, and I've always seen them counted as such in any turnover stat count. Moreover, to the idea that possession hasn't transferred until returner possesses the ball, penalties while the ball is in the air don't allow the kicking team to advance the ball and get a new set of downs, but merely move back the receiving team's field position, which indicates that team ball possession has changed, even if individual possession hasn't been achieved.
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