Someone please explain this for me

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In one ad, Governor Abbott tells us that property taxes are levied by municipalities, not the State. In another ad for Abbott, it says that his opponent (as a legislator) voted 40 times to raise property taxes. So, which is it?
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Yeah, I caught that as well. I guess she voted to do that while working for a Muni?
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Gemini says this:

The Abbott campaign cites 40 record votes cast by Representative Gina Hinojosa across past legislative sessions. Fact-checks by Texas news outlets show those votes fall into a few key areas:
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  • Votes Against Revenue Caps (e.g., SB 2 in 2019): Hinojosa voted against or tried to amend state legislation that restricted how much cities, counties, and special districts could grow their property tax revenue each year without a public referendum.
    • The Abbott Campaign's Logic: Voting "no" on a cap allows local entities to continue raising rates or collecting higher revenues, so they frame a vote against a cap as a vote to raise taxes.
    • Hinojosa's Position: She argued that state-enforced caps undermine local control, preventing cities and counties from adequately funding essential local public services like emergency response, police, and infrastructure.
  • Votes Against State Tax Relief Packages: In sessions where state budget surpluses were used to reduce property tax rates or increase homestead exemptions, Hinojosa voted "no" or supported alternative amendments (e.g., redirecting surplus funds to direct public school spending or teacher pay).
    • The campaign counts each "no" vote on a property tax relief bill or tax-cut amendment as a vote against tax relief, equating it to a vote for higher taxes.
  • Multiple Votes on the Same Bills: A single piece of legislation undergoes numerous preliminary votes, procedural motions, and amendment votes. By counting every floor vote and amendment across several years, the campaign arrives at the "40 votes" total.
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    Ryan the Temp
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    Abbott also says his opponent wants to implement a state income tax, but brags about how he constitutionally banned a state income tax.

    Politicians gonna politician ...
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    Hinojosa is a communist, so there is that
    Martin Q. Blank
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    Ryan the Temp said:

    Abbott also says his opponent wants to implement a state income tax, but brags about how he constitutionally banned a state income tax.

    Politicians gonna politician ...

    Both can be true. She wants to change the constitution.
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    Martin Q. Blank said:

    Ryan the Temp said:

    Abbott also says his opponent wants to implement a state income tax, but brags about how he constitutionally banned a state income tax.

    Politicians gonna politician ...

    Both can be true. She wants to change the constitution.

    Some folks cant understand that multiple things can be true.
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    Martin Q. Blank said:

    Ryan the Temp said:

    Abbott also says his opponent wants to implement a state income tax, but brags about how he constitutionally banned a state income tax.

    Politicians gonna politician ...

    Both can be true. She wants to change the constitution.

    If Abbott wants to make that argument, he should make that argument, but he doesn't, so it comes across as typical politician double speak.

    "Texans voted to ban a state income tax, but Gina Hinojosa wants to overturn the votes of millions of Texans and repeal that ban."

    See how much easier that is?
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    Ryan the Temp said:

    Abbott also says his opponent wants to implement a state income tax, but brags about how he constitutionally banned a state income tax.

    Politicians gonna politician ...

    You understand that it isn't that hard to overturn a constitutional amendment in Texas, right?
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    Doesn't the state establish the max rate?
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    Ryan the Temp said:

    Abbott also says his opponent wants to implement a state income tax, but brags about how he constitutionally banned a state income tax.

    Politicians gonna politician ...

    That doesn't mean that his opponent doesn't want to do it
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    Ryan the Temp said:

    Martin Q. Blank said:

    Ryan the Temp said:

    Abbott also says his opponent wants to implement a state income tax, but brags about how he constitutionally banned a state income tax.

    Politicians gonna politician ...

    Both can be true. She wants to change the constitution.

    If Abbott wants to make that argument, he should make that argument, but he doesn't, so it comes across as typical politician double speak.

    "Texans voted to ban a state income tax, but Gina Hinojosa wants to overturn the votes of millions of Texans and repeal that ban."

    See how much easier that is?

    They also vote on things to provide political ammunition. See the SAVE Act..

    Our government is a malfunctioning cesspool.
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    Funky Winkerbean said:

    Ryan the Temp said:

    Martin Q. Blank said:

    Ryan the Temp said:

    Abbott also says his opponent wants to implement a state income tax, but brags about how he constitutionally banned a state income tax.

    Politicians gonna politician ...

    Both can be true. She wants to change the constitution.

    If Abbott wants to make that argument, he should make that argument, but he doesn't, so it comes across as typical politician double speak.

    "Texans voted to ban a state income tax, but Gina Hinojosa wants to overturn the votes of millions of Texans and repeal that ban."

    See how much easier that is?

    They also vote on things to provide political ammunition. See the SAVE Act..

    Our government is a malfunctioning cesspool.

    Indeed.
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    aggie93 said:

    Ryan the Temp said:

    Abbott also says his opponent wants to implement a state income tax, but brags about how he constitutionally banned a state income tax.

    Politicians gonna politician ...

    You understand that it isn't that hard to overturn a constitutional amendment in Texas, right?

    You understand that I'm talking about Abbott's messaging, not the process of governance in Texas, right?
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    Even if a state does not collect property tax, it passes a lot of laws that affect how local gov't entities can collect property tax.
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    Martin Q. Blank said:

    Ryan the Temp said:

    Abbott also says his opponent wants to implement a state income tax, but brags about how he constitutionally banned a state income tax.

    Politicians gonna politician ...

    Both can be true. She wants to change the constitution.

    The current Texas Constitution, adopted in 1876, has been amended 547 times.
    That figure comes from the Legislative Reference Library of Texas, current through the November 4, 2025 constitutional amendment election. On that ballot, voters approved all 17 proposed amendments.
    The full tally since 1876:
    731 amendments proposed by the Legislature
    547 approved by voters
    181 defeated
    3 that never reached the ballot
    Two of the 547 approved amendments have not been certified because of court challenges, so some counts list the effective total as 545.
    Texas has had five constitutions since statehood (1845, 1861, 1866, 1869, and 1876). The 1876 document is still in force. It was written to be detailed and restrictive, so many routine policy changestax exemptions, bond authority, local government structurerequire a constitutional amendment rather than an ordinary statute. That is why it has been amended far more often than the U.S. Constitution (27 times).



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    Martin Q. Blank said:

    Ryan the Temp said:

    Abbott also says his opponent wants to implement a state income tax, but brags about how he constitutionally banned a state income tax.

    Politicians gonna politician ...

    Both can be true. She wants to change the constitution.

    The Texas constitution has been amended (or changed) 545 times since 1876.
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    Ryan the Temp said:

    Abbott also says his opponent wants to implement a state income tax, but brags about how he constitutionally banned a state income tax.

    Politicians gonna politician ...

    In Texas, what is the difference between a constitutional amendment and a law?

    How difficult would it be for a new governor to change a Texas constitutional amendment? Is that something that Hinojosa could accomplish? Why would it be harder for Hinojosa to change the constitutional amendment about a state income tax than it would be for Hinojosa to pass a law?
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    Ryan the Temp said:

    aggie93 said:

    Ryan the Temp said:

    Abbott also says his opponent wants to implement a state income tax, but brags about how he constitutionally banned a state income tax.

    Politicians gonna politician ...

    You understand that it isn't that hard to overturn a constitutional amendment in Texas, right?

    You understand that I'm talking about Abbott's messaging, not the process of governance in Texas, right?

    My take is that you are trying to roll back a nonsensical statement.

    A more accurate statement would be:

    Quote:

    Abbott also says his opponent wants to implement a state income tax through a Texas constitutional amendment, AND brags about how he was the one who implemented the current constitutional ban state income tax.

    It's very consistent messaging.

    Your original statement is nonsensical unless you are implying that a constitutional ban is something that is difficult to change.
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    rocky the dog said:

    In one ad, Governor Abbott tells us that property taxes are levied by municipalities, not the State. In another ad for Abbott, it says that his opponent (as a legislator) voted 40 times to raise property taxes. So, which is it?

    This is the explanation:

    Abbott is advocating for statewide limitations on how much property taxes are levied by municipalities, because without statewide limitations, municipalities can set the rates wherever they want. Commie H girlie has voted repeatedly against those statewide limitations.

    It is definitely a federalism issue. Commie H girlie wants the local Travis County Marxists to have the control to charge whatever they want. Abbott does not.

    Maybe there are people that believe that Travis County should have the authority to turn Austin into San Francisco, and it's no one else's business except for the people that live in Travis County. I'm not one of them, because I believe that would be to the detriment of the rest of the state.
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    Ryan the Temp said:

    aggie93 said:

    Ryan the Temp said:

    Abbott also says his opponent wants to implement a state income tax, but brags about how he constitutionally banned a state income tax.

    Politicians gonna politician ...

    You understand that it isn't that hard to overturn a constitutional amendment in Texas, right?

    You understand that I'm talking about Abbott's messaging, not the process of governance in Texas, right?

    Sure, but the point is showing Talarico was on the wrong side of the issue and will change the law if given a chance. You are acting like because of the Constitutional Amendment then the issue should be off the table.
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    Problem isn't the muni's its the school districts.
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    Martin Q. Blank said:

    Ryan the Temp said:

    Abbott also says his opponent wants to implement a state income tax, but brags about how he constitutionally banned a state income tax.

    Politicians gonna politician ...

    Both can be true. She wants to change the constitution.


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    aggie93 said:

    Ryan the Temp said:

    aggie93 said:

    Ryan the Temp said:

    Abbott also says his opponent wants to implement a state income tax, but brags about how he constitutionally banned a state income tax.

    Politicians gonna politician ...

    You understand that it isn't that hard to overturn a constitutional amendment in Texas, right?

    You understand that I'm talking about Abbott's messaging, not the process of governance in Texas, right?

    Sure, but the point is showing Talarico was on the wrong side of the issue and will change the law if given a chance. You are acting like because of the Constitutional Amendment then the issue should be off the table.

    No, I'm saying the way he presents the messaging makes it sound like he's contradicting himself. If it requires a bunch of explanation that isn't done in the ad, it's not exactly effective. He could make the argument in a better, more efficient way which does not require further explanation.
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    BusterAg said:

    Ryan the Temp said:

    Abbott also says his opponent wants to implement a state income tax, but brags about how he constitutionally banned a state income tax.

    Politicians gonna politician ...

    In Texas, what is the difference between a constitutional amendment and a law?

    How difficult would it be for a new governor to change a Texas constitutional amendment? Is that something that Hinojosa could accomplish? Why would it be harder for Hinojosa to change the constitutional amendment about a state income tax than it would be for Hinojosa to pass a law?

    a State constitutional amendment can only be approved by a statewide vote. A law is passed by the legislature and signed by the Governor
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    Ryan the Temp said:

    aggie93 said:

    Ryan the Temp said:

    aggie93 said:

    Ryan the Temp said:

    Abbott also says his opponent wants to implement a state income tax, but brags about how he constitutionally banned a state income tax.

    Politicians gonna politician ...

    You understand that it isn't that hard to overturn a constitutional amendment in Texas, right?

    You understand that I'm talking about Abbott's messaging, not the process of governance in Texas, right?

    Sure, but the point is showing Talarico was on the wrong side of the issue and will change the law if given a chance. You are acting like because of the Constitutional Amendment then the issue should be off the table.

    No, I'm saying the way he presents the messaging makes it sound like he's contradicting himself. If it requires a bunch of explanation that isn't done in the ad, it's not exactly effective. He could make the argument in a better, more efficient way which does not require further explanation.

    The only relevant point though from a messaging perspective is Talarico favors income taxes. We can certainly argue the minutia and legal process but that's always lost in a short ad.
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    Ryan the Temp said:

    aggie93 said:

    Ryan the Temp said:

    Abbott also says his opponent wants to implement a state income tax, but brags about how he constitutionally banned a state income tax.

    Politicians gonna politician ...

    You understand that it isn't that hard to overturn a constitutional amendment in Texas, right?

    You understand that I'm talking about Abbott's messaging, not the process of governance in Texas, right?

    How hard is it to understand the end goal of his opponent is to implement a state income tax? Does the process really matter to majority of the voters?
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    The more relevant question is, in a world where Gina Hinojosa could do whatever she wanted, would she raise property taxes on Texas homeowners, would she eliminate revenue caps, and would she implement a state income tax? The answer to all of the above is, yes, of course she would, because she's a ****ing communist like all democrats in 2026.
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