What is your criteria for deciding if a group of immigrants has assimilated into society? Can one partially assimilate or is it all or nothing?

Speaking the language is a good start

Net positive tax contribution and crime statistics in line with the average American would be a nice start.

Having your own, valid, SSN is a decent indicator that the process is underway.

Not being on welfare, not requiring the laws and customs of your home country be enforced, not associated with a learing center

Mastery of the language. Some degree of participation in the common culture (holidays, events, habits). Some degree of integration across social and ethnic groups in social interaction (not isolation to close knit enclaves that don't interact with others outside of their culture of origin).

I don't expect people to set aside their backgrounds and cultural legacy because to some degree almost all of us retain some of that. I do expect people to integrate comfortably into the larger community and participate without causing sicial troubles or tensions.

Do members of that group contribute to the greater good of the rest of society with their service & money? Military, service organizations, etc. The key is that it doesn't solely benefit their community/minority/religion.

If a person is willing to serve and help other Americans regardless of race, creed, religion then they are assimilated IMO.

Bull Meachem said:

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What is your criteria for deciding if a group of immigrants has assimilated into society? Can one partially assimilate or is it all or nothing?

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Speaking the language, embracing the culture, being grateful that this gracious host country took you in, not b*tching about how bad you have it here when you fled a third world cesspool or oppressive regime. Being unapologetically partiotic. Also being generally honest and understanding the concept of looking out for others, waiting your turn, not bending over backwards to find ways to cheat others or scam a system (see long lines of Indian people in hanidcap carts at airports trying to cut in front of everyone else because they are special in India or something).

Many of the kids in that UT video appear to be way better assimilated than many American blacks and white liberls as well.

Also attire...many of the muslims and Indians over the age of 55-60 in my Houston suburb still dress like third world foreigners.

FYI, none of these observations mean I hate them or that I am a "white supremacist". My child is mixed. I just wish some would assimilate better and not pretend they are still in the country that was so miserable they chose to flee it and leave everything they have ever known behind.

Even things like cleaning your house. Talk to any realtor. For whatever reason, it is common for even mid and upper class Indians to have filthy filthy homes. And often smelly. Probably because even a filthy $700k home is infinitely better than what they came from?

Are they *****ing about how the government is keeping them down while they sit on their back porch drinking martinis and watching other immigrants mow their yard? If so, then I'd say they've reached max assimilation.

Bull Meachem said:

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What is your criteria for deciding if a group of immigrants has assimilated into society? Can one partially assimilate or is it all or nothing?

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Here is how my family assimilated (my father's side).

My great-great-grand father (first to immigrate to the U.S.) spoke German, his sons and their sons spoke English mixed with German, their sons only spoke/understood the German cusswords. I did not learn any German from my family, I had to take it and Latin in school.

My great-great-grandfather fought for the Prussian(German) army against France. My great-uncles fought for the U.S. Army against Germany WWI (in the trenches), my uncles and my father fought for the U.S. Army against Germany WWII (D-day to Berlin). I read about it in history books.

If they are eating the cats and dogs, they have not assimilated.

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"There is no room in this country for hyphenated Americanism. When I refer to hyphenated Americans, I do not refer to naturalized Americans. Some of the very best Americans I have ever known were naturalized Americans, Americans born abroad. But a hyphenated American is not an American at all."

"This is just as true of the man who puts "native" before the hyphen as of the man who puts German or Irish or English or French before the hyphen. Americanism is a matter of the spirit and of the soul. Our allegiance must be purely to the United States. We must unsparingly condemn any man who holds any other allegiance." "But if he is heartily and singly loyal to this Republic, then no matter where he was born, he is just as good an American as anyone else."

"The one absolutely certain way of bringing this nation to ruin, of preventing all possibility of its continuing to be a nation at all, would be to permit it to become a tangle of squabbling nationalities, an intricate knot of German-Americans, Irish-Americans, English-Americans, French-Americans, Scandinavian-Americans, or Italian-Americans, each preserving its separate nationality, each at heart feeling more sympathy with Europeans of that nationality than with the other citizens of the American Republic."

"The men who do not become Americans and nothing else are hyphenated Americans; and there ought to be no room for them in this country. The man who calls himself an American citizen and who yet shows by his actions that he is primarily the citizen of a foreign land, plays a thoroughly mischievous part in the life of our body politic. He has no place here; and the sooner he returns to the land to which he feels his real heart-allegiance, the better it will be for every good American."

--Theodore Roosevelt

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When those integrating properly use the phrase "Hey! Hold my beer!"

Fully assimilated:

-Speak and read the language fluently
- Net positive tax payer
- Don't live or work in an ethnic community of their home culture
-Fully open to dating/marrying an American
- Participate in Traditional American Culture over their home culture at least 51%+ of the time

I dunno if these people have assimilated or not but the picture suggests they do enjoy American college football .

When I watch a video of a muslim in Houston go into a muslim convenience store subtly threatening the owner to conform to muslim ways I think they are the opposite of assimilating very well.

Wearing burnt orange is the wrong way to assimilate.

Do they act like me?

Are they friendly?

Are they agreeable?

Are they proud and happy to be in America to be an American?

halfastros81 said:

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I dunno if these people have assimilated or not but the picture suggests they do enjoy American college football .

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I thought it was kinda funny watching the game. It was clear they had no earthly idea what was going on - like almost none of them displayed any of the the usual distress of being down by 20 points...they cheered/looked exactly the same the whole game. But yeah, they were definitely enjoying themselves, no harm seeing in that.

Stay in excellent physical shape and maintain a high level of strength and conditioning.

That's the opposite of assimilating with most in the USA, but we already have enough drag on the health system and don't need even more.

Wouldn't be a bad idea for all citizens of the USA.

The answer to all of these must be no:

Do they litter?
Shop lift?
Lie, cheat, or steal?




The answer to all of these must be yes:

Do they shower daily?
Support the constitution and the first and second amendments?

If they don't shed a tear when Lee Greenwood is played, send them back.

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How do you determine if a group of immigrants have assimilated or not?

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When they understand that allowing "hate speech" is the most important part of free speech, and we are the only country on earth that allows this.

Owning multiple firearms, just because, is a bonus.

Can we just make those requirements for US citizens as well?

Oh wait....we cannot. We wouldn't have a single politician left anywhere within the US with that pesky "lie, cheat or steal" condition.

At this rate we're going to need another sub forum dedicated to this topic

Maybe when the guy comes to buy a goat, he doesnt get pissed off when the seller refuses to slit its throat for him. (true story)

Owlagdad said:

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Maybe when the guy comes to buy a goat, he doesnt get pissed off when the seller refuses to slit its throat for him. (true story)

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You can't leave us hanging like that.

Bull Meachem said:

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Owlagdad said:

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Maybe when the guy comes to buy a goat, he doesnt get pissed off when the seller refuses to slit its throat for him. (true story)

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You can't leave us hanging like that.

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Was my neighbor. Muslim came and tried to bargain for goat ( I guess I cant say Jew him down?) . Neighbor finally gave in, although he was angry, and then Muslim wanted him to kill and do whatever their law says to do. Neighbor told him no, Muslim got very upset, and finally neighbor told him to eff off and get off his place and to never set foot back to buy any goats from him.

Belief in and adherence to the Constitution.

ETA: The adherence to the Constitution also means Sharia law is unacceptable and means you may not come into this country.

So is degree of assimilation a new benchmark for maintaining a green card and your children obtaining citizenship?

Let's take on the elephant in the room.

Anyone here believes:

1. One has to be white
2. One has to be Christian?

Please stand up and make yourselves known.

torrid said:

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So is degree of assimilation a new benchmark for maintaining a green card and your children obtaining citizenship?

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Yes on the greencard. Why shouldn't it be?

Do they own a nail salon, donut shop, or motels and have their kids studying violin, piano, computer science and prepping for the SAT from 6 years old? If yes, then yes.

infinity ag said:

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Let's take on the elephant in the room.

Anyone here believes:

1. One has to be white
2. One has to be Christian?

Please stand up and make yourselves known.

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That would be no one in here that I know of.

When did you stop beating you wife? --Karl Marx

Maroon Dawn said:

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Fully assimilated:

-Speak and read the language fluently
- Net positive tax payer
- Don't live or work in an ethnic community of their home culture
-Fully open to dating/marrying an American
- Participate in Traditional American Culture over their home culture at least 51%+ of the time

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So if they're like Usha Vance they're good to go? At least that's what it sounds like.