Jamie Dimon says the American Dream is slipping away

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Aww. Poor Jamie. After all that corporate grifting and shifting, he is still so very sad.

Which brings me to a few questions.
  • How do we define the "American Dream"? What is it and what is it not?
  • Who is entitled to the American Dream? Just Americans? Foreigners? H1Bs?
  • Why should the American Dream be everyone's dream?
I have noticed that many foreigner H1Bs aspire to the "American Dream" and are angry that Trump is taking it away.


Jamie Dimon says the American Dream is slipping away. The dysfunctional baby boomer retirement wave is a major part of the problem
https://finance.yahoo.com/small-business/articles/jamie-dimon-says-american-dream-090000479.html
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Jamie Dimon has been warning since March that "the American Dream is alive, but it's slipping out of reach for too many peopleand for future generations."

Six months later, JPMorganChase is pointing to a specific, dollar-quantified reason why: Millions of aging small-business owners are approaching retirement with no real plan for what happens to the businesses they builtand the dysfunction is only getting harder to ignore.

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A new report set for release Monday, Powering 10 Million Small Businesses, puts a hard number on the problem. Chase surveyed 1,000 business owners and found that while 70% are in the early stages of succession planning, just 8% say they've reached an advanced stage. The bank frames that gap against a wave it says is already underway: Roughly 12 million businesses, representing nearly $10 trillion in assets, are expected to change hands over the next decade. That transition is even more pronounced in industries the bank considers critical to national security, where more than half of firms have an owner age 55 or older.
It's the latest entry in a growing body of research about the Great Wealth Transfer or the Silver Tsunami, which is playing out rather more like a long, reluctant exit, stage left for the baby boomers who hold most of America's wealth.

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Looks like there are lots of young Indians/Asians that can buy those businesses since that's where we are headed demographically.
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So he could've had an uplifting narrative of aspiration, but decided instead to pile-on with the other nattering nabobs of negativism. Maybe next he'll go on Tucker's podcast, and they can open a vein together.
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Logos Stick said:

Looks like there are lots of young Indians/Asians that can buy those businesses since that's where we are headed demographically.

For sure more immigrant ownership, but also more PE ownership. PE will continue (and expand) their trend of buying up small independent businesses and then running them into the ground after they've made back their money. It's a rinse and repeat process for them.
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All of these established businesses for sale seem like a big opportunity to me. The biggest impediment to small business ownership is government regulation and red tape. The fees (taxes) are over burdensome and the time spent trying to get a permit or license or just a question answered is ridiculous. None of it is designed to protect the consumer or the environment or cut fraud. Its sole purpose is to enlarge and fund government.
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Says the man who had a hand in the financial crisis of 2009.

Dude can rot in hell.
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Farcical to keep repeating that there will be a mass inter-generational wealth transfer. It's gonna be destroyed by draw down for personal healthcare, lifestyle creep, oversupply vs contracting demand and currency debasement.
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This is why...

Elections are when people find out what politicians stand for, and politicians find out what people will fall for.
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Fitch said:

Farcical to keep repeating that there will be a mass inter-generational wealth transfer. It's gonna be destroyed by draw down for personal healthcare, lifestyle creep, oversupply vs contracting demand and currency debasement.

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HumpitPuryear said:

All of these established businesses for sale seem like a big opportunity to me. The biggest impediment to small business ownership is government regulation and red tape. The fees (taxes) are over burdensome and the time spent trying to get a permit or license or just a question answered is ridiculous. None of it is designed to protect the consumer or the environment or cut fraud. Its sole purpose is to enlarge and fund government.

I would add the high cost of healthcare to this.

The bold part is absolutely true, and is true of ALL government. It's why limited government is the only way out.
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We were gifted a small business from a retiring boomer. The other retiring boomers sold their hotels and gas stations to India, Pakistan, and Iran.

Let's face it, most of boomers small businesses are really just them being self employed. Anyone with an actual business can sell it, but not it they are the ones doing all the work
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Sid Farkas said:

So he could've fed an uplifting narrative of aspiration, but decided instead to pile-on with the other nattering nabobs of negativism. Maybe next he'll go on Tucker's podcast, and they can open a vein together.

I'm all for positivity and uplifting messages, but things are not trending in the right direction. Name a topic across the spectrum from social issues to economics to the justice system and the trend doesn't look good.

The truth is, people are correct to say the American dream is slipping away. There are quite a few reasons for this, and damn near all of them lead back to the government as primary cause. We're overtaxed and over regulated. It's way too difficult to start a business and comply with everything the government demands. Not to mention that, as we saw with Covid, the government can just shut you down by decree. On top of that, the government is spending and debasing our currency to worthlessness. You never really own your home even when it's paid off. Property taxes are essentially a wealth tax on unrealized gains.

All sorts of programs are in place to discourage self-reliance and governance. Our education system is beyond terrible. They've divided us into so many tribes that there's almost no national spirit. Each tribe is looking to get whatever they can from the other tribes via government. Our justice system, the bedrock of it all, is starting to look unreliable. I could go on and on. Nothing is being done to correct course on any of these issues. Many of them are accelerating. Call me a pessimist if it makes you feel better, but I don't think that's a bad thing if the reality is looking negative.
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Texags has been invaded by Russian bots. Too bad.
rocky the dog
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Elections are when people find out what politicians stand for, and politicians find out what people will fall for.
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There's a job for everyone who wants one. Be the best at whatever you find yourself doing - even if it's washing dishes. Something good will come of it.

If rent is too high, find a roommate and approach it as an adventure, not a sacrifice.

Proactively take care of your health.

You own your own outlook.

Things have always "sucked". The difference now is social media making everyone sad and afraid.

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Helicopter Ben said:

The truth is, people are correct to say the American dream is slipping away. There are quite a few reasons for this, and damn near all of them lead back to the government as primary cause. We're overtaxed and over regulated. It's way too difficult to start a business and comply with everything the government demands. Not to mention that, as we saw with Covid, the government can just shut you down by decree. On top of that, the government is spending and debasing our currency to worthlessness. You never really own your home even when it's paid off. Property taxes are essentially a wealth tax on unrealized gains.

You don't sound very patriotic!

You probably don't like $4.00/gallon unleaded gas, either!!!!!1
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For all the snark about Jamie, this is a real problem:

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Millions of aging small-business owners are approaching retirement with no real plan for what happens to the businesses they built and the dysfunction is only getting harder to ignore.

A couple of reasons this is happening but doesn't account for all of them are:

(1) small business owners do not go a good job of building a bench and/or planning ahead what they will do with the business when they are done.

(2) whole lotta kids want nothing to do with the family business so it just dies with the owner.

I've seen these two specially in several cases and I'm quite sure many of you have as well.

The PE thing is real too. Their encroachment into seemingly anything and almost everything these days is kind of wild to me. Have seen this one firsthand in our family. PE company came out of nowhere, bought family company, and that part of the family is sitting pretty now. Zero reason to pass it on because now they are all rich.
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If I had more time I would dig up his year to year market predictions because I am pretty sure he has successfully predicted 7 of the last 1 bear markets. I hope his private wealth clients aren't investing based on his forecasts.
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Fitch said:

Farcical to keep repeating that there will be a mass inter-generational wealth transfer. It's gonna be destroyed by draw down for personal healthcare, lifestyle creep, oversupply vs contracting demand and currency debasement.


Old people going to need liquidity to pay for their medical. They'll reverse mortgage their house and business owners will sell their business for less than it's worth for the liquidity. That or borrow at these high rates and get squeezed that way.

There's going to be a wealth transfer but not to you
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I have a small business. Changes in government regulation basically made it worthless and now it is just a service company that depends on me being around.

My mentor had the same business and just shut it down, didn't try to sell it or continue - he just closed the doors.

I am going to try to see if my senior employees want to keep it running and I take a small cut and get some expenses paid, but that's about all it is worth
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Guys, don't worry…I've been told that the warm embrace of socialism will finally fix this!!
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JWinTX said:

Guys, don't worry…I've been told that the warm embrace of socialism will finally fix this!!

Oh thank God, I was worried for a second.
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Bitcoin is the future and this fossil is worried about a rising contender to interest on deposits. Yeah, future generations are stuck because this ***** is out here stifling competition and upholding barriers to capital inflow into future business ventures.
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YouBet said:

For all the snark about Jamie, this is a real problem:

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Millions of aging small-business owners are approaching retirement with no real plan for what happens to the businesses they built and the dysfunction is only getting harder to ignore.

A couple of reasons this is happening but doesn't account for all of them are:

(1) small business owners do not go a good job of building a bench and/or planning ahead what they will do with the business when they are done.

(2) whole lotta kids want nothing to do with the family business so it just dies with the owner.

I've seen these two specially in several cases and I'm quite sure many of you have as well.

The PE thing is real too. Their encroachment into seemingly anything and almost everything these days is kind of wild to me. Have seen this one firsthand in our family. PE company came out of nowhere, bought family company, and that part of the family is sitting pretty now. Zero reason to pass it on because now they are all rich.

My dad would be fine passing along his successful local brick and mortar business to my little brother, but my brother that just ran it into the ground in less than a year. I think there's a little bit of a problem with the younger generation being so coddled that they never learned how to execute on anything. Little brother didn't finish his first semester of college, never moved out of my dad's house, and has never had a job. He thinks he is somehow capable of running a business with $1M+ of revenue every year with no experience, never having worked more than 30 hours in a week and averaging around 15-20 of surfing the internet at the computer in the shop. That generation is a ****ing disaster. I'm older and told my dad just sell the business and take the money for himself. Little brother can go get a real job somewhere or live under a bridge.

Which brings me to my next point - Dimon is just trying to make it ok to sell to PE. Lots of people act like PE is evil but they can't define private equity. It's a great way to cash out the value of something you built. Get a good PE buyer and lots of customers will never notice. Get a ****ty manager/PE/entitled asshat kid, and you just destroy all the value and the business.
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Agree, Dimon trying to get in on this great wealth transfer
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Pinochet said:

Which brings me to my next point - Dimon is just trying to make it ok to sell to PE. Lots of people act like PE is evil but they can't define private equity. It's a great way to cash out the value of something you built. Get a good PE buyer and lots of customers will never notice. Get a ****ty manager/PE/entitled asshat kid, and you just destroy all the value and the business.

Private Equity = equity that's private. Duh!
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Bingo.

The public will never know the full extent of how JPM helped create the financial crisis in 2009. Do a little digging, and one will find JPM was upside down in their Derivatives trading. The Feds couldn't have the nation's largest bank fail, so Washington Mutual became the sacrificial lamb and was gifted to JPM for 1.9 billion. The interesting part is that WAMU filed two bankruptcies (one corporate, one for the bank), and as it turned out, the spoils Dimon wanted were in Safe Harbor under the corporate umbrella. Even Sheila Bair went to Congress and sought approval for changes in banking regulations that included WAMU. Congress approved the change that would include corporate assets, but they weren't retroactive to include WAMU.
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ToddyHill said:

Bingo.

The public will never know the full extent of how JPM helped to create the financial crisis in 2008. Do a little digging, and one will find out JPM was upside down in their Derivatives trading. The Feds couldn't have the nation's largest bank fail, so Washington Mutual became the sacrificial lamb and was gifted to JPM for 1.9 billion. The interesting part is that WAMU filed two bankruptcies (one corporate, one for the bank), and as it turned out, the spoils Dimon wanted were in Safe Harbor under the corporate umbrella. Even Sheila Bair went to Congress and sought approval for changes in banking regulations that included WAMU. Congress approved the change that would include corporate assets, but they weren't retroactive to include WAMU.

I was a WAMU customer only because they bought out Bank United. That was a mess then. I didn't truly understand the mess WAMU and JPM created till doing research cause I was curious how the whole financial network collapsed. It was nice of the government to give out bonuses to the fat cats on wall street for nearly destroying the financial system.
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Quote:

I didn't truly understand the mess WAMU and JPM created till doing research cause I was curious how the hole financial network collapsed.

The public has NO clue how dirty this thing was and how it went down. Dimon is not an honorable man. I think I'll just leave it there.
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Pinochet said:

YouBet said:

For all the snark about Jamie, this is a real problem:

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Millions of aging small-business owners are approaching retirement with no real plan for what happens to the businesses they built and the dysfunction is only getting harder to ignore.

A couple of reasons this is happening but doesn't account for all of them are:

(1) small business owners do not go a good job of building a bench and/or planning ahead what they will do with the business when they are done.

(2) whole lotta kids want nothing to do with the family business so it just dies with the owner.

I've seen these two specially in several cases and I'm quite sure many of you have as well.

The PE thing is real too. Their encroachment into seemingly anything and almost everything these days is kind of wild to me. Have seen this one firsthand in our family. PE company came out of nowhere, bought family company, and that part of the family is sitting pretty now. Zero reason to pass it on because now they are all rich.

My dad would be fine passing along his successful local brick and mortar business to my little brother, but my brother that just ran it into the ground in less than a year. I think there's a little bit of a problem with the younger generation being so coddled that they never learned how to execute on anything. Little brother didn't finish his first semester of college, never moved out of my dad's house, and has never had a job. He thinks he is somehow capable of running a business with $1M+ of revenue every year with no experience, never having worked more than 30 hours in a week and averaging around 15-20 of surfing the internet at the computer in the shop. That generation is a ****ing disaster. I'm older and told my dad just sell the business and take the money for himself. Little brother can go get a real job somewhere or live under a bridge.

Which brings me to my next point - Dimon is just trying to make it ok to sell to PE. Lots of people act like PE is evil but they can't define private equity. It's a great way to cash out the value of something you built. Get a good PE buyer and lots of customers will never notice. Get a ****ty manager/PE/entitled asshat kid, and you just destroy all the value and the business.


Sounds like your scenario is #1. Not blaming your dad necessarily but your brother sounds like he didn't put the time in to learn the ropes first. He should have been brought along if he was going to get the reins.

Agree on PE. It's great for the folks getting bought out but I wonder what the long-term effect of PE getting into every sector of the economy is going to produce later. My family I mentioned got generational wealth out of it. That particular business going to PE is a nothing burger because no one outside of the family will notice it because it's extremely niche and really doesn't impact anyone else but the family.

I know someone else whose lawn care business was purchased by PE. He never has to work again if he doesn't want to but now he has so much money he's just dabbling in other things.
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Does anything PE touches actually get better for the product, consumer, or employees?
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A founder may view the business as a legacy. They care about relationships, reputation, employee loyalty, product quality, and the little acts of service that never appear directly on a spreadsheets but make customers love the company.

Private equity usually views it as an investment with a defined exit timeline. It measures value through margins, cash flow, and resale potential. It'll cut those "intangibles" because they look inefficient.
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The participation of JPM Chase and Dimon in the Madhoff ponzi scheme supports your conclusion he's not an honorable man. I'm not sure how he's breathing free air and how the bank is still open.
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My sons are both engaged and I've told them both that owning a home is no longer a good investment, just rent and enjoy life. If something breaks call the homeowner or apartment management and let them deal with it.
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