Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland kicking the tires on breaking up the UK

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1. Good for them. It is always better to be in charge of your own future. All 3 have independence parties in power - the first time this has happened for 3/4 countries in the UK.

2. It sucks for them, because all 3 will run straight to the EU for membership.

3. England. Get ^&#$ed. This is all on you.

One world government accelerating - Canada, Ireland, Scotland, NI, and eventually England. All likely to be in the EU within a decade at this rate.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/scottish-independence-referendum-mairi-mcallan-b3049351.html

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2026/09/13/irish-scots-and-welsh-leaders-meet-to-plot-break-up-uk/

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/sep/13/first-ministers-to-affirm-right-to-seek-independence-from-the-uk

Call for constitutional change in Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales likely to challenge Burnham's devolution agenda

The first ministers of Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland are to affirm their countries' right to seek independence from the UK at a summit that is likely to challenge Andy Burnham's devolution agenda.
The Plaid Cymru leader, Rhun ap Iorwerth, the Scottish National party leader, John Swinney, and the Sinn Fin vice-president, Michelle O'Neill, are expected to sign a memorandum of understanding at a landmark conference in Cardiff on Monday that will call on Westminster "to prepare, plan and facilitate constitutional change in Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland".

The three are meeting in their capacity as party leaders, rather than as officials in their respective governments, alongside the Sinn Fin president and leader of the opposition in Ireland, Mary Lou McDonald. They will also discuss Europe, international cooperation, the economy and energy issues.


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The Telegraph writes that the leaders of Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland will meet in Cardiff tomorrow sign a deal on starting cooperation breaking up the UK.

They will demand the right to independence referendum, or in the case of Northern Ireland, on the right to become part of Ireland.

After Plaid Cymru routed Labour in the last Welsh election, separatist parties are now for the first time in power in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland at the same time.

The three first minister will also meet in Cardiff with Mary Louise McDonald, the President of Sinn Fin and leader of the opposition in Ireland.

The new drive for independence referendums comes after UK PM Andy Burnham spoke about what's needed for a new independence referendum in Scotland and made a parallel to the Good Friday Agreement mechanism in Ireland which requires the UK government to consider a referendum in Northern Ireland if public opinion clearly changes.

Previous UK PMs had completely shut the door on a new independence referendum in Scotland, saying that the failed independence referendum in 2014 had closed that issue for decades.

If Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland were to leave the United Kingdom, leaving only England, the remaining country's population would decrease by 15.5% and its GDP would decrease by 13.5% compared to the current total United Kingdom figures.

It would also create a number of geopolitical and geoeconomic dilemmas:

1. London would lose the physical home of the UK's independent nuclear deterrent.

The UK's entire fleet of nuclear-armed submarines is permanently stationed at HM Naval Base Clyde on Scotland's west coast.

There are no alternative deep-water ports in England that are geographically, politically or logistically suited to house nuclear submarines and their warheads within the foreseeable future.

2. Losing control of the GIUK Gap.

Geographically, Scotland provides the UK with naval and aerial positioning to guard the North Atlantic and the so-called GIUK Gap (Greenland-Iceland-United Kingdom).

It's a vital maritime choke point for tracking Russian submarine activity entering the Atlantic Ocean from northern Russia.

3. Destruction of the Defense Training
Estate.

The British Armed Forces require vast expanses of uninhabited land for live-fire combat training.

England is too densely populated to accommodate this scale of preparation and the Ministry of Defence relies heavily on the Scottish Highlands, the Sennybridge Training Area in Wales, and the Abercorn facilities in Northern Ireland for multi-domain military training exercises.

4. Loss of North Sea oil and gas.

An independent Scotland would get ownership over the vast majority of the current UK's northern waters, with England losing direct geopolitical control over the bulk of the North Sea oil and gas reserves, as well as massive offshore wind-generation territories located in Scottish and Welsh waters.

5. The emergence of a new "Western Flank"

For over a century, the UK has operated under the assumption that its western border is entirely secure.

If Northern Ireland reunifies with the Republic of Ireland, and Scotland and Wales depart, the Irish Sea becomes entirely surrounded by foreign nations.

While a unified Ireland or independent Scotland would likely friendly Western democracies, they might opt for strict military neutrality (similar to Ireland's current geopolitical stance) rather than joining NATO.

This would create a massive security vacuum right on England's doorstep and would require London to reconfigure its military defense plans.
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I have been to both Ireland and Scotland. They are both beautiful countries and the people there that I interacted with were wonderful people.

Now their governments are another thing.
In a world when you can be anything, be the person that ends the meeting early.
Psycho Bunny
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It's all empty words. Wales have been beating the same drum since the 1300s about being independent.


New slogan for Aggie football.

"abandon all hope, ye who enter here"
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annie88 said:

I have been to both Ireland and Scotland. They are both beautiful countries and the people there that I interacted with were wonderful people.

Now their governments are another thing.

Yep, they make the UK political parties look sane by comparison.
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I believe Scotland government is very liberal. They would love to close our sub base.
Kozmozag
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Trump going tk change theie name to Good Britain.
YouBet
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Posted this on the Europe thread but this is fascinating stuff. Scotland is more left wing than England and this could be a "be careful what you wish" for outcome for them. London subsidizes a huge amount of their spending. If they separate, that goes away. Scotland will have to start footing their own bills or cut spending.

I'm sure their citizens will love it when they separate and then suddenly have to be responsible and accountable for themselves. In reality, they likely just become another burden to the EU.
doubledog
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I do not see why Cornwall does not want in on this.
samurai_science
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AggieGunslinger said:

I believe Scotland government is very liberal. They would love to close our sub base.

I would love to let them, F Scotland
Claude!
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doubledog said:

I do not see why Cornwall does not want in on this.

Make Northumbria Great Again!
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samurai_science said:

AggieGunslinger said:

I believe Scotland government is very liberal. They would love to close our sub base.

I would love to let them, F Scotland


Sounds like an opportunity for Greenland.
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YouBet said:

samurai_science said:

AggieGunslinger said:

I believe Scotland government is very liberal. They would love to close our sub base.

I would love to let them, F Scotland


Sounds like an opportunity for Greenland.

if canada and the UK goes EU, I would fully expect Greenland to do so as well.
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Greenland is a territory of Denmark thus already EU.
boulderaggie
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This is the beginning of the end of England.
CascadiaAg
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Jarrin Jay said:

Greenland is a territory of Denmark thus already EU.

Yes, and no.

Due to its status with Denmark and certain decisions prior to the EU they have special status and considerations in regards to the EU (as an Overseas County/Territory (OCT). Yes, the people are EU citizens with those rights, But they have reserved for themselves more flexible and sole rights to control parts of their economy that full EU members do not have. Not even Denmark.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_territories_of_members_of_the_European_Economic_Area

The OCTs are not subject to the EU's common external customs tariffs[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_territories_of_members_of_the_European_Economic_Area#cite_note-24][20][/url] but may claim customs on goods imported from the EU on a non-discriminatory basis.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_territories_of_members_of_the_European_Economic_Area#cite_note-25][21][/url] They are not part of the EU and the EU acquis does not apply to them, though those joining OCTA are required to respect the detailed rules and procedures outlined by this association agreement (Council Decision 2013/755/EU).[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_territories_of_members_of_the_European_Economic_Area#cite_note-26][22][/url] OCTA members are entitled to ask for EU financial support.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_territories_of_members_of_the_European_Economic_Area#cite_note-27][23][/url]
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Man, I remember saying Brexit would reunite Ireland and being lambasted here. Good to be proven right.
CascadiaAg
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boulderaggie said:

This is the beginning of the end of England.

it is not good for the US either if Canada, the UK, Greenland all fall fully under the EU umbrella within the next 10-15 years.
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Claude! said:

doubledog said:

I do not see why Cornwall does not want in on this.

Make Northumbria Great Again!

M'NGA?


Bold move, Cotton!
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YouBet said:

Posted this on the Europe thread but this is fascinating stuff. Scotland is more left wing than England and this could be a "be careful what you wish" for outcome for them. London subsidizes a huge amount of their spending. If they separate, that goes away. Scotland will have to start footing their own bills or cut spending.

I'm sure their citizens will love it when they separate and then suddenly have to be responsible and accountable for themselves. In reality, they likely just become another burden to the EU.


It is not a guarantee that the EU would take them.
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Aggie97 said:

YouBet said:

Posted this on the Europe thread but this is fascinating stuff. Scotland is more left wing than England and this could be a "be careful what you wish" for outcome for them. London subsidizes a huge amount of their spending. If they separate, that goes away. Scotland will have to start footing their own bills or cut spending.

I'm sure their citizens will love it when they separate and then suddenly have to be responsible and accountable for themselves. In reality, they likely just become another burden to the EU.


It is not a guarantee that the EU would take them.


The EU would be smart not to, but I'm not sure they are that smart.
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fc2112 said:

Man, I remember saying Brexit would reunite Ireland and being lambasted here. Good to be proven right.

This is a result of the government's both Tory and Labour undermining Brexit rather than planning to effectively implement it. The UK has been betrayed by every government from Blair on. As bad our unparty is, theirs is worse.
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BigRobSA said:

Claude! said:

doubledog said:

I do not see why Cornwall does not want in on this.

Make Northumbria Great Again!

M'NGA?


Bold move, Cotton!



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