House voting tomorrow afternoon on a war power vote to restrict this conflict.

Ro khanna and massie are leading the way. Only requires a simple majority from each chamber to pass.

I think it will indeed pass out of congress, trump will then veto, and it will die

Its specifically addressing this specific action

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The people against this military action are as foolish as those against helping Ukraine. Even dumber if they're pro-Ukraine war and anti-Iran war.

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lol

Don't try to legimatize the uke-Russia theft & death joint venture by pairing it with what's going on in Iran



These are very different situations

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I'm not. I'm legitimizing the strategic interest in both. Also, if one finds oneself pro-Ukraine and anti-intervention in Iran, it signals ignorance of the fact that thousands of Iranian-designed drones are hitting Ukrainian cities.

People are making democracy seem like a dumber and dumber idea every day.

Who?mikejones! said:

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Its specifically addressing this specific action

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Then it's even more ridiculous. Just a ridiculous sideshow for guys like Massie to preen.

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Ro khanna and massie are leading the way.

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Of course they are.

Their Epstein attack failed so now another way to attack Trump.

Getting thrills up their pets

The best move for Trump would be to use this as an off ramp to war. If Iran falls apart, Trump can blame congress. If Iran rebuilds better, Trump can take credit.

Similar to the SCOTUS bail out on tariffs.

Nah. The best thing would be to not stop until were finished.

Let congress do whatever, veto it. Congress certainly wont have the 2/3s to override the veto.

This will get out of the house, I think. The senate is a maybe. Fetterman will not vote for it, Paul will. Then you got murkowski and Collins that will probably vote for it

Unless Paul can find 2 more Republicans to vote with him, I dont think this can actually get to trump

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Barry dropped a bomb every 20 minutes for 8 years and nobody said a word.

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When did he take out the leader of a country?

I'm ultimately for the actions taken so far, but they are constitutionally extremely questionable at best and absolutely unconstitutional at worst. I have no problem with our branches of government exercising their checks on the balance of power. Let everyone debate it. Nothing will change what happened anyway.

I'm more concerned at how many now are openly rooting for pure executive authority after incessantly screaming about it during the prior administration.

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Nah. The best thing would be to not stop until were finished.

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What does "finished" mean? If that means Trump will find an off ramp before the end of summer, and blame any fallout on Ben Net, I agree.

Reasonable take. Trump is following the same pattern as most presidents post ww2.

Its debatable whether the war powers act is constitutional on its own. But there was a definite shift post ww2 on how the usa engaged in conflict, who started our involvement in them and so forth. This war power vote isnt one to remove the war powers act, or significantly change the power structure as set out, its specifically to address this singular conflict. It reeks of orange man bad stink.

I cant stand the way congress operates. Its absolute **** and maybe the worst thing about our govt in the modern world.

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Nah. The best thing would be to not stop until were finished.

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Not gonna happen. Trump will find an off ramp before the end of summer, and blame any fallout on Ben Net. Bookmark this post.

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I guess it depends on what "finished" means. I dont think most here want any long, drawn out Iraq 2/Afghanistan sort of conflict here. Trump's saying 5 or 6 weeks. Lets see

Yeah my bigger gripe is with Congress. They've ceded their power over the years in return for personal job security and getting rich off the government teat.

Which is now why almost nothing of significance happens there, presidents feel the ability to rule absolutely, and the USSC is the only body that now has effects on the legislative, but only after years of litigation and in very specific areas. It's so disgusting and pathetic.

"Finished" should mean, no more funding/supplying Israel actions against Iran. I agree, it needs to be defined.

Israel has been at Iran for over 30 years. They're not gonna stop after a few months. Which means Trump will eventually have to throw Ben Net under the bus, like Zelensky. All those on F16 will fall in line, and basically start arguing the same thing Tucker is arguing today.

That presupposes a false assumption. We've also been at Iran for quite a while, separate and apart from Israel.

The fact that theres an overlap on a ven diagram doesnt mean what you think it does

Don't to get to deep into the show …. Gotta make it look like there is oppo… which will eventually kill it after the objective has been accomplished

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Yeah my bigger gripe is with Congress. They've ceded their power over the years in return for personal job security and getting rich off the government teat.

Which is now why almost nothing of significance happens there, presidents feel the ability to rule absolutely, and the USSC is the only body that now has effects on the legislative, but only after years of litigation and in very specific areas. It's so disgusting and pathetic.

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This, I am sort of jealous when some Western Nations announce "dissolve parliament and snap elections by the people"... definitely could never happen with our entrenched uni-party swamp monsters

It's all theater. Big money in wars. Every last one of them on The Hill doesnt care what we do as long as they get paid, and at least act like they're standing up for what their constituents want.

Need something to distract from all the work they are doing, like pet dog shows.... Those important things blocking work on the SAVE act.

Has congress ever been so loathsome as they are now? Completely useless and pathetic hacks.

Basically this is a move to find out who is for this and whos against on the record.

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House voting tomorrow afternoon on a war power vote to restrict this conflict.

Ro khanna and massie are leading the way. Only requires a simple majority from each chamber to pass.

I think it will indeed pass out of congress, trump will then veto, and it will die

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You think they'll be enough Republicans for this to pass?

So they want to re-install an oppressive regime and let them start killing Iranians again?

China calling in all its debts to the Dem politicians they own

Iran is 13% of their oil import

But thankfully for them they own the Democratic Party and so they have a tool to fight for their interests and against America

Iran has been allowed to be to disruptive, dangerous and murderous since the Ayatollah left Paris to rule Iran.

Now it looks like an Arab-American-Israeli Coalition is forming to counter Iran. There is zero indication we are looking to transition large amounts of "Boots on the Ground" military folks. The previous plans since Trump has entered office have been masterful. We kill off 40 of Iran's leaders in the 1st 10 min with most occurring in the first minute. The plan continues to be implemented with out pause. So I just laugh at the likes of Michael Kelly that there is no plan. He is a buffoon.

If the citizens of Iran can reclaim their country then it will be worth it. If they can't, then their influence of the IRGCC will be blunted for a while.

As for the Democrats….only one thing gets them riled up and that is when one of their funding streams dries up.

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If the citizens of Iran can reclaim their country then it will be worth it. If they can't, then their influence of the IRGCC will be blunted for a while.

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How do they do that? The folks that crave power for evil are organized. They can stick in a leader pretty quickly and seize the country. They are funded by billionaires (like Soros) and without help (funding and organization) the actual citizens will be back again being suppressed.

No, the actual citizens of Iran won't be able to take control of the country without pretty intense help.

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If the citizens of Iran can reclaim their country then it will be worth it. If they can't, then their influence of the IRGCC will be blunted for a while.

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How do they do that? The folks that crave power for evil are organized. They can stick in a leader pretty quickly and seize the country. They are funded by billionaires (like Soros) and without help (funding and organization) the actual citizens will be back again being suppressed.

No, the actual citizens of Iran won't be able to take control of the country without pretty intense help.

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I don't know what you call intense, but I would call what the US and IDF have done so far pretty intensive. I would also say their are several African countries and Ukraine that would take this non-intense help.

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If the citizens of Iran can reclaim their country then it will be worth it. If they can't, then their influence of the IRGCC will be blunted for a while.

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How do they do that? The folks that crave power for evil are organized. They can stick in a leader pretty quickly and seize the country. They are funded by billionaires (like Soros) and without help (funding and organization) the actual citizens will be back again being suppressed.

No, the actual citizens of Iran won't be able to take control of the country without pretty intense help.

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I don't know what you call intense, but I would call what the US and IDF have done so far pretty intensive. I would also say their are several African countries and Ukraine that would take this non-intense help.

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I'm not talking about killing the current leadership. I'm specifically talking about installing the next leadership. That is where the money will be spent and that is what will control the future of Iran. There are trillions available to those wanting to control Iran who have America's demise in their plans. They are waiting for the US to finish and they have mobilized to move in once the current job is done.

Trump/Rubio/Vance saying we don't want to "nation build" better just be a narrative and I certainly hope they help Iran install something close to a democracy, or this will all be for nothing.