Trump Defends Foreign Students as 'Good' for US Universities

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infinity ag
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Let's look beyond the headline.
While yes, it is good for US universities from the financial standpoint, there is a real reason why foreign students go to US universities that no one talks about. The F1 student visa is a non-immigration visa. During interview, the student is supposed to convince the officer that they will come back to their country after their degree. But no one really wants to do that. And let's be honest, maybe 2-3% of students actually care about the education, for most, it is a ticket to a H1B and a life as an immigrant in the US.

There are a few issues now.
1. While we want the dollars of these overseas students, we don't want all of them to stay back here. We just want to the top of the cream to remain and pack the rest of them back. Just because someone gets a US degree does not mean they are good and we want them. Lots of diploma mills out there.
2. Making sure universities stay in business is not the job of the administration. My daughter is applying to college and there are about 6500 universities in the US. That is a lot. I am sure a good number of them don't need to be operational anymore. Let them shut down if they cannot sustain themselves without public money. No US business must be kept alive if it depends on foreign funds.

At this point I have lost track of Trump's stand on this. He keeps changing his mind and saying opposite things.

Trump is governed by money, since he is a businessman. That is okay as long as we are not taking short term money by selling out our long term future.

Trump Defends Foreign Students as 'Good' for US Universities
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-11-11/trump-defends-foreign-students-as-good-for-us-universities

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By Hadriana Lowenkron
November 10, 2025 at 7:02 PM CST

Takeaways by Bloomberg AI
  • President Donald Trump defended allowing foreign students to study in the US as a "good" practice and pushed back on a call to reduce their numbers, saying it would be financially destructive to the nation's higher education system.
  • Trump argued that reducing the numbers of foreign students would cause financial harm to the university system and lead some schools to go "out of business."
  • Trump's comments offer a contrast with policies his administration has carried out that have targeted international students, including revoking thousands of visas and imposing heightened application requirements.
President Donald Trump defended allowing foreign students to study in the US as a "good" practice and pushed back on a call to reduce their numbers, saying it would be financially destructive to the nation's higher education system.

"You don't want to cut half of the people, half of the students from all over the world that are coming into our country destroy our entire university and college system I don't want to do that," Trump said in an interview with Laura Ingraham that aired Monday on Fox News.

"I actually think it's good to have outside countries. Look, I want to be able to get along with the world," he added.

Trump was repeatedly pushed by the Fox News host on why he wouldn't reduce the number of students from foreign countries in particular China who are studying in the US, with Ingraham casting it as a policy the president's supporters would back and a change that would make it easier for Americans to enroll in schools.
Trump argued that reducing the numbers of foreign students would cause financial harm to the university system and lead some schools, including historically Black institutions, to go "out of business."
"We do have a lot of people coming in from China, we always have China and other countries. We also have a massive system of colleges and universities. And if we were to cut that in half, which perhaps makes some people happy, you would have half the colleges in the United States go out of business," Trump said.
"We take in trillions of dollars from students. You know, the students pay more than double when they come in from most foreign countries. I want to see our school system thrive," he added. "It's not that I want them, but I view it as a business."
Trump's comments offer a contrast with policies his administration has carried out that have targeted international students. The administration has revoked thousands of visas, arrested students who were involved in pro-Palestinian activities and imposed heightened application requirements.

CDUB98
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Bad Trump
deddog
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This problem will self correct. A lot of students are having to go back because they can't find a job. No one is going to invest money in foreign education if you have no prospects at the end, unless you fully intend to go back
Teslag
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Terrible Trump
Ol_Ag_02
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Dumb Trump. American universities should be overwhelmingly for Americans, like 99%.
AtticusMatlock
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Dude sees dollar signs. That's what he chases. That's what he cares about.
Rapier108
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Foreign students are one thing.

Chinese spies are something else.
"If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves." - Sir Winston Churchill
BadMoonRisin
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Bad Trump. Seems to be racking up the Ls these days between the 2k stimmy checks idiocy, 50 year mortgage idea, and now this.
doubledog
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Most post graduate degrees are first filled by qualified U.S. students and then by foreign students. The sad facts are that many college degrees are worthless for higher education graduate course degrees, which translates to fewer graduate students and/or many graduates do not want to spend five years of their lives working for below minimum wages (if any) without a good prospect of employment after graduation. Finally many departments/colleges will not pay their first year graduate students (during their first year). This is why the jobs sites, such as jobs for aggies, is overwhelmed by foreign first year graduate students looking for any employment their first year in grad school.
infinity ag
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deddog said:

This problem will self correct. A lot of students are having to go back because they can't find a job. No one is going to invest money in foreign education if you have no prospects at the end, unless you fully intend to go back



I agree in general but I see some problems/issues.

US universities (lower tier ones) have gotten used to foreign students using them as diploma mills and as an intermediary to a US job. They don't care as they make money. Now that has reduced, I have spoken to a few people I work with and they tell me their relatives are not sending their kids to the US anymore as previously planned. Why? Uncertainty. So now the university will have to make the shortfall with US kids. As a parent of a child seeking an admit for 2026, this is great news for us. Reduced competition. However we are applying to top ranked schools so maybe the advantage won't be as much. But what I do notice is that the lower schools being very nice when I email them about something. One even had a lady call and leave a message to communicate a rolling admit. American kids are valuable again.

So the problem is I don't think the 6500 universities will be able to get their classes full. That will lead to them begging Trump for money. Or shut down. What do you think about this? I personally think it is okay as we cannot have companies set up here which run primarily on foreign money and immigration.
infinity ag
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BadMoonRisin said:

Bad Trump. Seems to be racking up the Ls these days between the 2k stimmy checks idiocy, 50 year mortgage idea, and now this.


I was listening to conservative radio yesterday and even they were laughing at 50 year mortgages.
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BadMoonRisin said:

Bad Trump. Seems to be racking up the Ls these days between the 2k stimmy checks idiocy, 50 year mortgage idea, and now this.


He's in total panic mode since last Tuesday's election results. Incredible short sightedness. A collection of terrible policies. His inner left wing is showing hard this week.
zb008
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That's not "America first." American universities should be for AMERICANS.
MaxPower
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What I'm trying to figure out is if these universities are so desperate for students that they need to go abroad then why is tuition increasing exponentially every year? Seems to defy the law of supply and demand.
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I'd ban all foreign students.
Ol_Ag_02
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infinity ag said:

BadMoonRisin said:

Bad Trump. Seems to be racking up the Ls these days between the 2k stimmy checks idiocy, 50 year mortgage idea, and now this.


I was listening to conservative radio yesterday and even they were laughing at 50 year mortgages.


Because it's an absolute dog **** idea.
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Ol_Ag_02 said:

infinity ag said:

BadMoonRisin said:

Bad Trump. Seems to be racking up the Ls these days between the 2k stimmy checks idiocy, 50 year mortgage idea, and now this.


I was listening to conservative radio yesterday and even they were laughing at 50 year mortgages.


Because it's an absolute dog **** idea.

And not a conservative one, which is par for the course with him.
infinity ag
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infinity ag
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MaxPower said:

What I'm trying to figure out is if these universities are so desperate for students that they need to go abroad then why is tuition increasing exponentially every year? Seems to defy the law of supply and demand.


who's going to pay for the perks and bonus of the university CEO??
all costs money.
mjschiller
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Ban all potential foreign spy's/students.
infinity ag
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infinity ag
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Looks like Trump is on track to lose the midterms
No Spin Ag
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Rapier108 said:

Foreign students are one thing.

Chinese spies are something else.
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infinity ag said:

Looks like Trump is on track to lose the midterms


Its a year away. It looks like we know nothing about the midterms because America is full of fickle ******s and most of them don't give 2 ****s about this issue.

I'm not saying they shouldn't, im just saying they don't.

Trump will win the midterms if he continues to win on foreign issues, which he is crushing, and if the deportations and border shut down result in a healthy job market/economy.

He'll lose if the economy struggles in a way that can be blaimed on tariffs.

Stuff like this will have virtually zero effect, other then keeping the tech bros happy and money going to the GOP
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infinity ag said:



Who here also thinks that the country would probably be better off if...

HALF THE COLLEGES AND UNIVERSITIES IN THE UNITED STATES SHOULD GO OUT OF BUSINESS?

I don't think Trump has a clue of what MAGA thinks here.

Way too many bad schools, bad majors, bad faculty, and bad students.

ETA- spelling
Rocky Rider
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The University system has become on overpriced joke. It will take a long time to reform/overhaul it because too much money is involved. One day the rise, fall, and rebuild of the college education system will make for interesting reading….but not in my lifetime.
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infinity ag said:




Well that last part is absolutely true. MAGA is whatever Trump says it is, and most of his supporters are on board with that. Which is why '26 and '28 are going to be grim for republicans
YouBet
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Terrible Trump. Horrific last 8 days for him. If this was indicative of his whole term, then he would lose my vote.

Vance needs to get ahold of him.
infinity ag
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I had another thought. I posted it somewhere, maybe not here.

US tech cos have been gorging on cheap labor for the last 25 years. It is now a part of their system. It reduces costs for the companies. It also kills local talent which is not trained or given opportunities. This has allowed Tech co execs to give themselves HUGE bonuses and claim credit for all the success.

These companies have gotten used to the bounty of labor and wealth.

The problem with this is if you take it away, the tech industry can collapse. We have become dependent on Indian labor through H1B and offshoring. The Indians are not completely wrong when they say that we need them.

We have to do this without having our companies collapse and roil the economy. How? By gradually weaning the companies off and giving them time to adjust. Trump is doing this by making it harder to get H1Bs with his 100k fee. Next, he should make these other visas harder and cut off all the loopholes. After that, tax offshoring to discourage it and then ramp it up. The challenge is he is here only for another 38 months and this process might take longer.

Slowly.

Unfortunately our worthless CEOs and greedy Politicians were in cahoots to loot the American people for 25 years.

Analogy: America is like a person addicted to drugs - except American is addicted to cheap slave labor. It makes America feel good and wealthy but he is losing his health gradually and developing terminal illnesses. What America needs is More Cowbell!
De-addiction takes time and some pain.
LMCane
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agree with infinity on this one.

we should DRASTICALLY reduce usage of H1B and Student Visas!!

they are more deleterious than beneficial to the national security interests of the United States!
Madagascar
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Bad Trump.

Colleges wouldn't go out of business if they didn't drastically overspend and treated education like education without trying to chase research dollars.

Wondering if Trump is on the take somehow here.
LMCane
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Who does Trump think he is gaining approval from for these policies of not limiting H1Bs and student visas and increasing naturalizations as we see the White House bragging about?

the leftists and just the ignorant people around the country believe the Trump Adminstration is Hitler deporting every brown person

so who is going to be impressed by NOT enforcing our policies here?!?!

this seems like not just awful policy but awful politics!
LMCane
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Madagascar said:

Bad Trump.

Colleges wouldn't go out of business if they didn't drastically overspend and treated education like education without trying to chase research dollars.

Wondering if Trump is on the take somehow here.

it's not on the take

but possibly some of his backers in Tech are pushing for more H1B and student visas for NVIDIA and GOOGLE and META and every other AI company.
Madagascar
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I see what you are saying but I disagree in that the rot of most of these companies is so deep that I think it would be better to just let them sink. New biotechs startup all the time and there are plenty of willing to learn American University students ready to jump in and help. They just need to room to do so which this move by Trump would not allow.
Charpie
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Is that stat even true? The one about the universities going out of business?

For folks in India and China, higher degrees = higher social status. They absolutely flock to our universities for name only.

I am of the belief that our universities should be educating our kids first. Like, tu and A&M should be looking at Texas kids first, then US kids, then if there is room, anyone else.

And what BS. There are a ton of highly educated/qualified folks out there in the USA. They just won't work for pennies on the dollar.
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