My son is a civilian employee for the Department of War as a cybersecurity analyst.

He has to continue working every day as the bad guys have not stopped for the government shutdown. While he has plenty of money saved up to hold him over, his co-workers are struggling.

I know all the major stallions on F16 could go many month, if not years, on the massive stacks you have saved up. But normal people really start to run into trouble after a month of not getting paid.

Not all federal workers are mindless sloths or DEI hires or transgender specialists. Some are highly skilled technical specialists who could make a lot more $ on the outside but believe in the mission and the defense of our nation.

Many of these people are looking at leaving because - gee, more money AND you actually get paid on payday? What's not to like? The government is now "bright-sizing" - those who are bright enough to leave - do so.

Your beef is with the Democrats, sir.

Prayers for your son and his hardworking colleagues. We know that there is a good number of employees in highly skilled positions who actually care about what they do, not the ones we make fun of who don't do nuffin.

Ol_Ag_02 said:

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Your beef is with the Democrats, sir.

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No blame was assigned. The situation needs to be settled somehow, though.

Trump should ask for a one day continuing resolution to get everyone their back pay. Democrats wouldn't go for it.

Ol_Ag_02 said:

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Your beef is with the Democrats, sir.

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And the budget system. Frankly there are many things that should be entirely separate budgets. Military one of them. Get rid of the ominbus system. Especially in this rapid age there is no reason making it impossible to rapidly do many different things in sequence rather than taking weeks and months to do a monstrosity that is often as not just a lie and doesn't even deliver on what it was to fund.

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Ol_Ag_02 said:

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Your beef is with the Democrats, sir.

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No blame was assigned. The situation needs to be settled somehow, though.

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There's a clean funding bill which passed the House that temporarily extends the government to allow time for negotiating open issues.

The Dems have voted against it at least 13 times.

Thirteen!

It's very simple... stop objecting to a clean funding bill, open the government, and then negotiate with the other party. It's basic stuff.

They can't get loans or a line of credit? How crap are their credit ratings? Why don't they have any collateral to borrow against? They'll all get huge checks with which to pay it off soon enough.

Did your son and his comrades vote straight blue two days ago and a year ago? If so, they have directly contributed to their own pain. Elections have consequences. If you vote for someone who considers your pain to be leverage for their power and profit, your pain is self inflicted..

Politicians like it this way because it creates crises which make them the center of attention, give them power, and encourage "donations".

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Ol_Ag_02 said:

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Your beef is with the Democrats, sir.

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No blame was assigned. The situation needs to be settled somehow, though.

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It was correctly assigned by Ol_Ag_02.

They'll all get back pay when this is over. What about the private sector jobs that experience periodic layoffs? No tears are shed over them and no threads are started on their behalf.

The job security of federal work shouldn't be a guarantee. The draw is the excessive benefits packages that are given to federal workers (on the backs of tax payers, mind you)

If a job didn't pay me, I'd quit and go work somewhere else. If your son wants to stay, go for it. He'll get paid in the end anyway. If he wants to avoid the possibility of pay gaps from shutdowns, have him go work for someone else.

I have little to no sympathy for federal workers, whatsoever. Everyone else has the possibility of losing their job at any moment if their particular market turns down, or of their own performance declines. Why are federal workers special in that regard? Why are they guaranteed such job security?

Omperlodge said:

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Trump should ask for a one day continuing resolution to get everyone their back pay. Democrats wouldn't go for it.

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I'd rather nonessential government employees get zero backpay. Furlough just like the private sector.

Now is the time to nuke the filibuster

It is time.

I have some sympathy but only so much. When my previous employer had budget issues, I got a call telling me I didn't need to bother taking my next flight for work and they'd be sending my office personal items to me in a box, and I could mail them my laptop and company phone….

I was a fed employee over 15 years and lived through 2 shutdowns. As fed le i was designated as critical and had to work. My spouse at the time was also Fed le so neither of us was getting paid.

It comes with the job. They should be able to survive a few months without getting paid. If not, I can't imagine why they didn't have an emergency reserve unless they were living beyond their means.

When private sector workers were laid off and had no hopes of backpay in 2020 the same federal workers collected checks and sat on their couch for 18 months.


to answer your question - i dont care

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fc2112 said:

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Ol_Ag_02 said:

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Your beef is with the Democrats, sir.

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No blame was assigned. The situation needs to be settled somehow, though.

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There's a clean funding bill which passed the House that temporarily extends the government to allow time for negotiating open issues.

The Dems have voted against it at least 13 times.

Thirteen!

It's very simple... stop objecting to a clean funding bill, open the government, and then negotiate with the other party. It's basic stuff.

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There is nothing "clean" about Congress refusing to pass a budget and instead prefer a continuing resolution. People need to quit pretending the GOP is the good guys here. It's bad D's and less bad R's.

The people "leaving" are quickly going to find out how bad the private sector is for hiring in many sectors right now. Seems short sighted when they may have a shutdown happen once every few years. Fed employees generally have 100% job security otherwise, while those of us who work in the private market can lose our jobs at any minute and be unemployed for months while looking for a new one. Your son also is getting his college paid for if he works in that job long enough. He's working towards a pension funded by the gov. He isn't working that job purely for the mission.

All jobs have trade offs. This is what federal employees signed up for. I'm a federal contractor and am dealing with the impacts of my government peers being furloughed on many of my projects. I feel for them, but it's why I'm a contractor and don't work directly for .gov.

I am genuinely very sympathetic for your son's situation. He, his wife, his children, you, his neighbors, his friends should be marching in the street demanding that Democrats vote yes to opening the government back up. Action is needed....not words.

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Ol_Ag_02 said:

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Your beef is with the Democrats, sir.

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No blame was assigned. The situation needs to be settled somehow, though.

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Then your post has no validity because you the shutdown is about politics. You have to have a culprit to approach to get a desired solution. You are just shouting into the air.

Capt. Augustus McCrae said:

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They'll all get back pay when this is over. What about the private sector jobs that experience periodic layoffs? No tears are shed over them and no threads are started on their behalf.

The job security of federal work shouldn't be a guarantee. The draw is the excessive benefits packages that are given to federal workers (on the backs of tax payers, mind you)

If a job didn't pay me, I'd quit and go work somewhere else. If your son wants to stay, go for it. He'll get paid in the end anyway. If he wants to avoid the possibility of pay gaps from shutdowns, have him go work for someone else.

I have little to no sympathy for federal workers, whatsoever. Everyone else has the possibility of losing their job at any moment if their particular market turns down, or of their own performance declines. Why are federal workers special in that regard? Why are they guaranteed such job security?

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This.

Try working in oil and gas. At any moment one can be laid off from low prices, a mega-merger, or periodic RIF. I don't see anyone pining away for them.

There is no doubt hundreds of people are hurting. I wish everyone would contact Dem senators and tell them to pass a clean CR.

No need to worry. Republicans are about to cave any second now…like we ALWAYS do, then we can rest easy at night knowing that our 40% effective tax rate is due to the fact that we are now providing free health care for illegals who broke our laws and invaded our country.

Ran across this recently - government shutdowns never happened until someone came along and "reinterpreted" a law passed in 1870:

Government Shutdowns Were Never Necessary Anyway

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Yet, as familiar as shutdowns now seem in our fractured politics, the idea of a "government shutdown" is a relatively new one in American history. The first true government shutdownwhen defined as federal employees being furloughed because the government is unable to pay themdidn't happen until 1980. The cause was a new interpretation of an 1870 lawone that upended how the government had functioned for close to two centuries. This history reveals that government shutdowns are not forced on us by the Constitution or even federal lawand suggests that there are multiple ways out of this recurring modern constitutional crisis.

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Many of these people are looking at leaving because - gee, more money AND you actually get paid on payday? What's not to like? The government is now "bright-sizing" - those who are bright enough to leave - do so.

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Take the good with the bad...How many private companies do you know that could just shut down for a couple months because their management team is in a pissing match and come out on the other end with more money than they had going in?

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Ol_Ag_02 said:

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Your beef is with the Democrats, sir.

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No blame was assigned. The situation needs to be settled somehow, though.

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But there is blame to be had

It is, literally, the democrats who are to blame and who are doing this to your son

Sorry that he has to put up with those toddlers

Hoping things break soon

All those incompetent federal workers that you hate, they aren't leaving. They are the only ones who will be left.

Unemployment is still available to federal workers.
Also their banks know who they work for and offer interest free loan knowing they'll get paid.
They just need to talk to their lenders.

I love it. "If you're not willing to assign blame, you're just yelling at the clouds".

I'm just pointing out the reality of what real people are dealing with right now.

Those in power need to reach a compromise, that great virtue of American government that has served us so well for 250 years. Alas, blame is more fun and helps you feel more self righteous.

And keep in mind - the difference is these employees do NOT have the option of not performing their job. As I said, the bad guys are not stopping for the shutdown. So We The People need them to serve us but are not bothering to pay them.

Ol_Ag_02 said:

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Your beef is with the Democrats, sir.

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Correct. Hope his son doesn't vote for Democrats because they do not care for his best interests.

Capt. Augustus McCrae said:

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They'll all get back pay when this is over. What about the private sector jobs that experience periodic layoffs? No tears are shed over them and no threads are started on their behalf.

The job security of federal work shouldn't be a guarantee. The draw is the excessive benefits packages that are given to federal workers (on the backs of tax payers, mind you)

If a job didn't pay me, I'd quit and go work somewhere else. If your son wants to stay, go for it. He'll get paid in the end anyway. If he wants to avoid the possibility of pay gaps from shutdowns, have him go work for someone else.

I have little to no sympathy for federal workers, whatsoever. Everyone else has the possibility of losing their job at any moment if their particular market turns down, or of their own performance declines. Why are federal workers special in that regard? Why are they guaranteed such job security?

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Fed here. What do you define as excessive?

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I love it. "If you're not willing to assign blame, you're just yelling at the clouds".

I'm just pointing out the reality of what real people are dealing with right now.

Those in power need to reach a compromise, that great virtue of American government that has served us so well for 250 years. Alas, blame is more fun and helps you feel more self righteous.

And keep in mind - the difference is these employees do NOT have the option of not performing their job. As I said, the bad guys are not stopping for the shutdown. So We The People need them to serve us but are not bothering to pay them.

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"Compromise" got us here. Usually by the GOP bending over for the liberals.

No thanks.

Did OP post about the hundreds of thousands of Fed Bureaucrats

who are GETTING A SEVEN WEEK PAID VACATION from us the taxpayers now?!?

in 30 years of working after law school the longest vacation I ever took was one week long.

A VAST majority of the fed workforce votes for extreme radical leftist terrorist sponsors, the workers should contact the extreme radical leftist terrorist sponsors they voted for and tell them to get the funding sorted out.