On whether you should be a US Citizen to vote, across Texas 28% of voters said NO, you don't need to be a US Citizen

57% of voters in Travis County said NO
31.8% of voters in Harris County said NO
30.7% in Bexar County said NO

For comparison
25.6% in Brazos County said NO
19.4% in McLennan County (Waco) said NO
19.0% in Lubbock County said NO


Here's the text from the Texas Secretary of State

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Proposition 16 - SJR 37
"The constitutional amendment clarifying that a voter must be a United States citizen."

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Results via the TX SOS link
https://goelect.txelections.civixapps.com/ivis-enr-ui/contestdetails?officeID=96&officeName=%20PROPOSITION%2016%20(SJR%2037)&officeType=STATEWIDE%20PROPOSITIONS&from=race

How in the world are there 1 in 4 people voting in our elections in Texas who think you don't need to be a citizen?

In Austin it's more than half.

Even in Lubbock and Waco, it's still 1 in 5 people who think it's cool to vote in our elections if you're not a citizen.

Natural outcome of importing a foreign population

28% of voters are illegals?

Nobody that voted against Prop 16 have stopped to wonder if they can vote in Mexico, Canada, or ANY other country on Earth.....

HumpitPuryear said:

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28% of voters are illegals?

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Democrats

Although I would bet a few votes were people just voting a blanket No on every proposition without even reading them.

I use to believe permanent legal residents should be able to vote in local elections since those do impact their day to day lives. That view has changed over the last decade, but I can see how others who haven't fully considered the consequences could still hold it.

My AP Gov students did an extensive project on all 17 proposed amendments, and after studying them, voted using sample ballots.

In their sample election, most proposals passed, but a few (6, 17, and interestingly, 12) did not.

This morning, we analyzed the results. More that a few pointed out that the fact that every proposal passed looks like most people didn't know what they were voting for, and voted "for" straight down the ballot.

Also, Travis County voted "against" almost every single prop. Presidio County (Marta - the entire county has a pop of 6k) was the second-most vote "against", but as one of my kids pointed out - it's basically a tiny Austin on the border.

TLDR - Austin is even more liberal than other urban areas in the state, and seems to be aggressively so.

ETA: even Bexar County as a whole voted in favor of prop 16.

Anti-taxxer said:

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TLDR - Austin is even more liberal than other urban areas in the state, and seems to be aggressively so.

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We know, look at the DA

Rapier108 said:

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HumpitPuryear said:

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28% of voters are illegals?

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Democrats

Although I would bet a few votes were people just voting a blanket No on every proposition without even reading them.

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Oops. Although, amendments like this don't change anything and are just mealy mouthed Republicans trying to act like they are doing something conservative without actually doing anything while letting rino's run at least half of the legislature and dems chair committees.

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On whether you should be a US Citizen to vote, across Texas 28% of voters said NO, you don't need to be a US Citizen

57% of voters in Travis County said NO

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Tactically, this is not a problem.

Cut the water and power...shoot anyone that comes out.

It is what the new AG of Virginia would do.

Some may have opposed it because they felt it was redundant and unnecessary.

Rapier108 said:

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HumpitPuryear said:

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28% of voters are illegals?

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Democrats

Although I would bet a few votes were people just voting a blanket No on every proposition without even reading them.

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Many on this board had no idea what a lot of the props contained. Some poster said he didn't like the sound of the words in one of the props LOL.

Logos Stick said:

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Rapier108 said:

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HumpitPuryear said:

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28% of voters are illegals?

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Democrats

Although I would bet a few votes were people just voting a blanket No on every proposition without even reading them.

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Many on this board had no idea what a lot of the props contained. Some poster said he didn't like the sound of the words in one of the props LOL.

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Yep.

I hated reading over each one this weekend, felt like I was back in school, but I wanted to make sure I was informed on each one. Even thought about skipping one or two because I could find reasons to both support and oppose.

People need to be informed about what they're voting on.

I completely missed I had a Bryan ISD board position to vote for, so I skipped it. Didn't matter in the end, it was no where near close and the incumbent got obliterated.

HumpitPuryear said:

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28% of voters are illegals?

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~25% of voters in the San Antonio / Austin area are the children of illegals is more likely.

I voted no because it's already illegal. No point in enacting the same law twice.

Travis County is California in Texas. Not surprising at all. It's the most left-wing county in the state.

The worst POTUS candidate in history (Kamala Harris) won with 68-29 against Trump in 2024.

Colin Allred beat Cruz 70-27.

That's how stupid people are in Travis County.

Anti-taxxer said:

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My AP Gov students did an extensive project on all 17 proposed amendments, and after studying them, voted using sample ballots.

In their sample election, most proposals passed, but a few (6, 17, and interestingly, 12) did not.

This morning, we analyzed the results. More that a few pointed out that the fact that every proposal passed looks like most people didn't know what they were voting for, and voted "for" straight down the ballot.

Also, Travis County voted "against" almost every single prop. Presidio County (Marta - the entire county has a pop of 6k) was the second-most vote "against", but as one of my kids pointed out - it's basically a tiny Austin on the border.

TLDR - Austin is even more liberal than other urban areas in the state, and seems to be aggressively so.

ETA: even Bexar County as a whole voted in favor of prop 16.

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I voted against 12. I read it multiple times and wasn't comfortable that I understood it enough to convince myself that there was not a way to manipulate the new system in favor of activist judges



I'm sure most people just looked it and said I don't understand it but let's trust govt and the people who wrote this

Glad to see future voters realize that most people say yes cause it's easy to agree and that voters don't do their homework

HumpitPuryear said:

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28% of voters are illegals?

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I'm betting a lot are uneducated but know it all liberal college students.

HumpitPuryear said:

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28% of voters are illegals?

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and need to be deported

All the anchor babies born before 2007 are of voting age now and want more rights for their illegal parents and communities. And illegals often have more kids earlier in life to slowly dilute everyone else's vote. That's why illegal immigration is such a big deal.

DarkBrandon01 said:

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I voted no because it's already illegal. No point in enacting the same law twice.

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We know why you voted no.

This was a constitutional amendment, which we do not currently have. HTH

DarkBrandon01 said:

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I voted no because it's already illegal. No point in enacting the same law twice.

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Did not know that, could you provide the previous law? Thanks in advance.

State of Texas Title 2 CH 11
Sec. 11.002. QUALIFIED VOTER. (a) In this code, "qualified voter" means a person who:
(1) is 18 years of age or older;
(2) is a United States citizen;

txyaloo said:

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I use to believe permanent legal residents should be able to vote in local elections since those do impact their day to day lives. That view has changed over the last decade, but I can see how others who haven't fully considered the consequences could still hold it.

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Nope...

I'm glad your position has changed.

I lived in Australia as a Permanent Resident for 8+ years.
I could do everything an Australian could do except for one tiny little thing...

I couldn't vote.

The price of voting was making that last move from PR to Citizen.

(and after 2020 Covid-insanity, I'm glad I didn't)

Logos Stick said:

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Many on this board had no idea what a lot of the props contained. Some poster said he didn't like the sound of the words in one of the props LOL.

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That's a feature, not a bug. The confusing language is not an accident.

Anti-taxxer said:

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More that a few pointed out that the fact that every proposal passed looks like most people didn't know what they were voting for

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Your students are very perceptive. And more intelligent than a lot of voters.

Fightin_Aggie said:

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Anti-taxxer said:

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My AP Gov students did an extensive project on all 17 proposed amendments, and after studying them, voted using sample ballots.

In their sample election, most proposals passed, but a few (6, 17, and interestingly, 12) did not.

This morning, we analyzed the results. More that a few pointed out that the fact that every proposal passed looks like most people didn't know what they were voting for, and voted "for" straight down the ballot.

Also, Travis County voted "against" almost every single prop. Presidio County (Marta - the entire county has a pop of 6k) was the second-most vote "against", but as one of my kids pointed out - it's basically a tiny Austin on the border.

TLDR - Austin is even more liberal than other urban areas in the state, and seems to be aggressively so.

ETA: even Bexar County as a whole voted in favor of prop 16.

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I voted against 12. I read it multiple times and wasn't comfortable that I understood it enough to convince myself that there was not a way to manipulate the new system in favor of activist judges



I'm sure most people just looked it and said I don't understand it but let's trust govt and the people who wrote this

Glad to see future voters realize that most people say yes cause it's easy to agree and that voters don't do their homework

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Amazingly, my kids had great arguments for and against. This was one of the more hotly contested props.

The prop proposes replacing the two attorney positions on the board with two additional citizens, appointed by the governor and the TX Supreme Court.

One argument in favor is that more impartial (citizen members) would be on the board, reducing the possibility of favoritism or corruption.

An argument against is that the citizens are likely to be tools of the gov/TXSC because they are appointees. They also might not have the legal background of attorneys.

HollywoodBQ said:

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txyaloo said:

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I use to believe permanent legal residents should be able to vote in local elections since those do impact their day to day lives. That view has changed over the last decade, but I can see how others who haven't fully considered the consequences could still hold it.

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Nope...

I'm glad your position has changed.

I lived in Australia as a Permanent Resident for 8+ years.
I could do everything an Australian could do except for one tiny little thing...

I couldn't vote.

The price of voting was making that last move from PR to Citizen.

(and after 2020 Covid-insanity, I'm glad I didn't)

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And that's why I changed my mind.

If you want the full American experience, become a citizen

Logos Stick said:

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Many on this board had no idea what a lot of the props contained. Some poster said he didn't like the sound of the words in one of the props LOL.

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People like this shouldn't be voting. If you don't understand what you're voting for or against and vote anyways, screw you. You're the problem.

HollywoodBQ said:

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On whether you should be a US Citizen to vote, across Texas 28% of voters said NO, you don't need to be a US Citizen

57% of voters in Travis County said NO
31.8% of voters in Harris County said NO
30.7% in Bexar County said NO

For comparison
25.6% in Brazos County said NO
19.4% in McLennan County (Waco) said NO
19.0% in Lubbock County said NO


Here's the text from the Texas Secretary of State

Quote:

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Proposition 16 - SJR 37
"The constitutional amendment clarifying that a voter must be a United States citizen."

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Results via the TX SOS link
https://goelect.txelections.civixapps.com/ivis-enr-ui/contestdetails?officeID=96&officeName=%20PROPOSITION%2016%20(SJR%2037)&officeType=STATEWIDE%20PROPOSITIONS&from=race

How in the world are there 1 in 4 people voting in our elections in Texas who think you don't need to be a citizen?

In Austin it's more than half.

Even in Lubbock and Waco, it's still 1 in 5 people who think it's cool to vote in our elections if you're not a citizen.

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Because the **** birds who vote no on that Prop know those non-citizens will vote for their side. THat's the bottom line. It's tribal ideology.

richardag said:

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DarkBrandon01 said:

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I voted no because it's already illegal. No point in enacting the same law twice.

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Did not know that, could you provide the previous law? Thanks in advance.

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The prop was to make it a constitutional amendment so some future ****bag democrat couldn't change the law. The Texas constitution is pretty hard to change from my understanding.

Andrew99 said:

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Some may have opposed it because they felt it was redundant and unnecessary.

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Ding ding ding ding.

Logos Stick said:

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DarkBrandon01 said:

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I voted no because it's already illegal. No point in enacting the same law twice.

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We know why you voted no.

This was a constitutional amendment, which we do not currently have. HTH

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I voted no because it was redundant to current law. It did not need to be the the Texas Constitution.

regio said:

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State of Texas Title 2 CH 11
Sec. 11.002. QUALIFIED VOTER. (a) In this code, "qualified voter" means a person who:
(1) is 18 years of age or older;
(2) is a United States citizen;

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Thank you