Been thinking about this since oral arugments a couple of weeks ago. The big fear of getting rid of the filibuster is that once the other side is in power they can do whatever they want. But let's be honest, if Democrats get control of both houses and the presidency they are going to do this anyway. They almost did it save for Manchin and Sinema who are both no longer there. However, once SCOTUS tosses Section 2 of the Voting Rights Act out (and this appears likely now) the House of Representatives will be Republican for about as long as anyone on this board has left alive. So how does that matter in the Senate and a filibuster? Well, the filibuster is gone for judicial appointments and most nominations. So that's irrelavent. If you control the house then it doesn't matter what a Democrat senate would do, because they can't advance anything. It would purely serve as a rubberstamp in good times, useless in bad times (democrate control of Presidency and Senate).

Yes, they should. If they have the balls to do it, I'll be shocked.

No. If the Senate gets rid of the filibuster they might as well dissolve the whole body. It's the only thing that keeps the US from legislative mob rule. The courts cannot be counted upon to interpret the Constitution and rein in the legislative branch. Make the Dems be the bad guys that "cross the Rubicon". They will be back in charge sooner than any of us would like.

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They will be back in charge sooner than any of us would like

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Not if Section 2 goes away. You wont' see a democrat house for a generation or more.

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Not if Section 2 goes away. You wont' see a democrat house for a generation or more.

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Well that would be nice

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Not if Section 2 goes away. You wont' see a democrat house for a generation or more.

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Democrats dont obey the law now, why would they in the future? They will just ignore or cheat

No. The country needs that curb. Not a Senator but threats like this one have to be nullified.

🚨Radical leftist Jamie Raskin says his political opposition will face repercussions for unleashing “fascist chaos” should Dems regain power:

“When we come back to power — and we will — are not going to look kindly upon people who facilitated authoritarianism in our country." pic.twitter.com/R03YdqHlTW

— Western Lensman (@WesternLensman) April 19, 2025

He's basically telling you they will ditch the filibuster and you want to hold back when you have all the cards?

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Not if Section 2 goes away. You wont' see a democrat house for a generation or more.

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Fantasy. History says otherwise. All it will take is a semi-prolonged economic downturn or a major scandal.

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No. The country needs that curb. Not a Senator but threats like this one have to be nullified.

🚨Radical leftist Jamie Raskin says his political opposition will face repercussions for unleashing “fascist chaos” should Dems regain power:

“When we come back to power — and we will — are not going to look kindly upon people who facilitated authoritarianism in our country." pic.twitter.com/R03YdqHlTW

— Western Lensman (@WesternLensman) April 19, 2025

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In other words: "When we are back in power, we will continue to cram Marxism down your throat like we have the past 16 years"

Nah, I want to see dems forced to side with the GOP and vote to reopen the government.

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No. If the Senate gets rid of the filibuster they might as well dissolve the whole body. It's the only thing that keeps the US from legislative mob rule. The courts cannot be counted upon to interpret the Constitution and rein in the legislative branch. Make the Dems be the bad guys that "cross the Rubicon". They will be back in charge sooner than any of us would like.

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The Legislative branch doesn't do jack, so everything is left up to the Executive and courts. I wish Congress would reassert their position in the government and become more contentious with the executive.

And the Courts are doing a fairly decent job. Not perfect but what do I know, I'm not a legal scholar. Like most of us on this board.

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In other words: "When we are back in power, we will continue to cram Marxism down your throat like we have the past 16 years"

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And we can't trust our federal district courts at all anymore. That checks and balances is gone.

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Not if Section 2 goes away. You wont' see a democrat house for a generation or more.

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Fantasy. History says otherwise. All it will take is a semi-prolonged economic downturn or a major scandal.

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It's not. Without the protection of the VRA every red state can now redistrict without having to worry about minority representation. We can gerrymander our way to guaranteed red districts without worry.

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In other words: "When we are back in power, we will continue to cram Marxism down your throat like we have the past 16 years"

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And we can't trust our federal district courts at all anymore. That checks and balances is gone.

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Without the fillibuster we can reshape the courts however we want.

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In other words: "When we are back in power, we will continue to cram Marxism down your throat like we have the past 16 years"

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And we can't trust our federal district courts at all anymore. That checks and balances is gone.

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Without the fillibuster we can reshape the courts however we want.

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Not fast enough. It will take a decade to clean up the courts, minimum. Hell, they no longer even follow SCOTUS rulings.

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No. If the Senate gets rid of the filibuster they might as well dissolve the whole body. It's the only thing that keeps the US from legislative mob rule. The courts cannot be counted upon to interpret the Constitution and rein in the legislative branch. Make the Dems be the bad guys that "cross the Rubicon". They will be back in charge sooner than any of us would like.

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You just watch your mouuuuuth mister...

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No. The country needs that curb. Not a Senator but threats like this one have to be nullified.

🚨Radical leftist Jamie Raskin says his political opposition will face repercussions for unleashing “fascist chaos” should Dems regain power:

“When we come back to power — and we will — are not going to look kindly upon people who facilitated authoritarianism in our country." pic.twitter.com/R03YdqHlTW

— Western Lensman (@WesternLensman) April 19, 2025

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The guys parents were commies. He's one too. People need to listen to what they say they want to do when they get back in power.

Everyone in office should be working right now to ensure that never happens.

Why don't we force a week long filibuster. I wanna see those nutty dems giving boring speeches in the senate chamber while all the unpaid workers and welfare recipients watch on tv

How in the heck can there be a major scandal anymore in our gov than the last years under Biden and Obama?
Scandals are as common now as June bugs in the summer.

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No. The country needs that curb. Not a Senator but threats like this one have to be nullified.

🚨Radical leftist Jamie Raskin says his political opposition will face repercussions for unleashing “fascist chaos” should Dems regain power:

“When we come back to power — and we will — are not going to look kindly upon people who facilitated authoritarianism in our country." pic.twitter.com/R03YdqHlTW

— Western Lensman (@WesternLensman) April 19, 2025

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How exactly can they return to power if the current administration is authoritarian? Do they even hear themselves?

I'm torn. Our legislative branch is not governing worth a darn and getting nothing done. On the other hand, the Senate should need 60 votes to pass anything. If you can't get 60 votes then it probably isn't a good candidate or good bill/law.
I know that is pie-in-the-sky thinking, but honestly, if you can't get 60 lawmakers to agree, it probably isn't a good idea.
I'm just not sure how we would ever get anything done in today's political climate needing 60 votes in the Senate for everything.

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No. If the Senate gets rid of the filibuster they might as well dissolve the whole body. It's the only thing that keeps the US from legislative mob rule. The courts cannot be counted upon to interpret the Constitution and rein in the legislative branch. Make the Dems be the bad guys that "cross the Rubicon". They will be back in charge sooner than any of us would like.

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Dems will do it anyway. Might as well get what we can while we can.

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No. If the Senate gets rid of the filibuster they might as well dissolve the whole body. It's the only thing that keeps the US from legislative mob rule. The courts cannot be counted upon to interpret the Constitution and rein in the legislative branch. Make the Dems be the bad guys that "cross the Rubicon". They will be back in charge sooner than any of us would like.

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Dems will do it anyway. Might as well get what we can while we can.

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Should have already done it. The Dems will do it the next time they get control.

For everyone in here saying the Rs should not do it, this is what you are actually saying:

don't do it. Instead, let's wait for the Dems to do it the next time they get control.

It's okay though. When Democrats add Puerto Rico and DC as states, enact strict gun laws, pack the courts, and raise taxes they can feel warm inside knowing they made the democrats do it first.

The old saying, if you want it really bad you will get it really bad, eventually the other side will have power.

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The old saying, if you want it really bad you will get it really bad, eventually the other side will have power.

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I think that's why you only do it if the VRA is gutted as it looks like it will be. It will be decades until we see another democrat house.

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No. If the Senate gets rid of the filibuster they might as well dissolve the whole body. It's the only thing that keeps the US from legislative mob rule. The courts cannot be counted upon to interpret the Constitution and rein in the legislative branch. Make the Dems be the bad guys that "cross the Rubicon". They will be back in charge sooner than any of us would like.

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Agree. Need to repeal the 17th amendment and get back to having governors appoint Senators. Half the Congress was designed to serve the interests of the states and not the whims of the mob.

Big 'ol, classic Prisoner's Dilemma.

In the past, there was mutual agreement that the filibuster was sacred. That mutual agreement was destroyed by the Democrats under Biden who were going to do it except for Manchin and Sinema (praise them).

Now that we know the Democrats will jettison it at the first opportunity with their last two remaining "moderates" gone, then PD says the Republicans should just do it now and get what they can while they can.

I would like to see if Section 2 gets erased first. If it does, then I'm absolutely on board with doing it. If not, I'm still hesitant but could probably be easily convinced.

In my opinion, one of the goals of the shut down is to get the GOP to do the Dem's dirty work for them and blow up the filibuster. I hope the GOP does not fall for it as they will undoubtedly get the blame.

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In my opinion, one of the goals of the shut down is to get the GOP to do the Dem's dirty work for them and blow up the filibuster. I hope the GOP does not fall for it as they will undoubtedly get the blame.

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Tend to agree with this. Dems are craven and cowardly so they don't want to take responsibility again, like Harry Reid did when he blew up the filibuster on judicial noms. McConnell warned Reid he was making a huge mistake at the time.

But pay close attention to the language being used by Dem lawmakers to justify their refusal to reopen the government, "leverage." Leverage for what, exactly? The cover stories vary from healthcare whether it be for illegals or not but does a clean CR prohibit that? It doesn't.