Yeah, we aren't putting this toothpaste back in the tube https://t.co/Sj2GPHYSUt

— Mark Mitchell, Rasmussen Reports (@honestpollster) October 26, 2025

We all knew this. Why aren't we just cutting them off? If city'states pay for illegal welfare then take it from other money they get from the feds. Cut the legal immigrants off too.

Many come here specifically to exploit our generous welfare system. They aren't necessarily interested in becoming American, just getting more for themselves than they could where they came from with less effort. One political party is clearly using this opportunity to draw them in and exploit them. Maybe parts of both parties, to the extent they can distract the American public.

I don't find this very hard to believe. But, I think this needs to be verified.

If it is true then we need to stop this now.

Thanks Brandon.

Democrats need to be renamed the Seditionists and Traitors Party (STP). They can use a snake as their animal.

Yes, data from the Center for Immigration Studies, based on Census Bureau surveys, shows 59% of non-citizen households use major welfare programs like SNAP (food stamps), versus 39% for native-born households. This includes legal and illegal immigrants, highlighting fiscal strain…

— Grok (@grok) October 27, 2025

I am not sure I would say "more" rather than a higher percentage of each group. Citizens will be more well established and more well off on average, so less eligible and less likely to need it.

The bigger question is why are we giving immigrants welfare to come here at all? Why are we inviting in a burden on ourselves?

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I am not sure I would say "more" rather than a higher percentage of each group. Citizens will be more well established and more well off on average, so less eligible and less likely to need it.

The bigger question is why are we giving immigrants welfare to come here at all? Why are we inviting in a burden on ourselves?

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Not a single Dem will stand up and answer this with a legitimate argument in favor of it. Truly sick minded people.

Trump just needs to come out with the stats. Say that administrative costs and illegals are destroying the ability for the government to have these programs. Democrats will come out the wood works saying that isn't true. The ones receiving these benefits will turn on their overloads quickly.

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The bigger question is why are we giving immigrants welfare to come here at all? Why are we inviting in a burden on ourselves?

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Almost every other decent country in the world does not do this. If you cannot support yourself then you are not welcome.

Even Mexico requires that you prove you have the means to support yourself before they let you move there.

I am guessing that Brandon waved any rules that we might have regarding self-sufficiency as part of importing 10M-15M 3rd worlders into this country. Most do not speak English, have little education or skills that we can use.

why did they import so many with open borders and promises of free stuff? why do they always talk about a path to amnesty?

complete control by the socialist revolution requires the majority of voters to be poor and government-dependent as well as easily manipulatable.

/surprised you didn't know that .gif

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I am not sure I would say "more" rather than a higher percentage of each group. Citizens will be more well established and more well off on average, so less eligible and less likely to need it.

The bigger question is why are we giving immigrants welfare to come here at all? Why are we inviting in a burden on ourselves?

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The are dropping anchor babies when they get here that are American citizens due to our idiotic birthright citizenship laws and it is the American kids that make them eligible for all of these tax payer funded freebies.

Can't game a system that doesn't exist. That is the actual solution.

Hoyt Ag said:

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MouthBQ98 said:

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I am not sure I would say "more" rather than a higher percentage of each group. Citizens will be more well established and more well off on average, so less eligible and less likely to need it.

The bigger question is why are we giving immigrants welfare to come here at all? Why are we inviting in a burden on ourselves?

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Not a single Dem will stand up and answer this with a legitimate argument in favor of it. Truly sick minded people.

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Actually saw a black Dem politician up north publicly celebrate open borders and importing illegal immigrates because it gave her more votes. This was during Biden's term or at the very beginning of Trump's. Can't recall who it was.

Her comment was something to the effect if we didn't want them down here then send them up there because it would strengthen her and the party's position.

You can have open borders or a welfare state but you can't have both

Milton Friedman


If you a legal or illegal immigrant you can not get welfare

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You can have open borders or a welfare state but you can't have both

Milton Friedman


If you a legal or illegal immigrant you can not get welfare

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Sucks that Democrats have no grasp of economics.

These are not your illegals from the 90's and early 2000's whom came over to bust their butts and had no gov support.

We are now a welfare line for illegals to come in and game the system. The majority do now.

Ohh my god….

Mainstream media CBS reporting 1 in 8 Americans are on SNAP food stamps

That’s 43.1 million people

The working class is paying to provide EBT for 43 MILLION PEOPLE

Approximately 54% of immigrant households participate in at least one major welfare program pic.twitter.com/QeDL4JUMFe

— Wall Street Apes (@WallStreetApes) October 27, 2025

This is also mind boggling. Does the 1 in 8 include childern, because that would make more sense.

List of countries world-wide that have "Birthright Citizenship":

Bolivia
Brazil
Canada
Chile
Cuba
Ecuador
El Salvador
Guatemala
Mexico
Nicaragua
Panama
Paraguay
Peru
Trinidad & Tobago
USA
Uruguay
Venezuela

Do all those other countries besides USA and Canada have the same problem of being flooded with third world poor people entering illegally to pop out babies? Where are the European, Asian, and Middle Eastern countries on this list?

This is something I've been wondering about for a while. I think we're arguing about the illegal immigration from the wrong angle. IMO, this issue is the correct one. Milton Friedman made this point a long time ago. This is the one area I'd be willing to compromise with the left. We can have more open immigration if we get rid of the welfare state. We shouldn't have these programs at all, but it's financial suicide to provide the for immigrants. Whenever anyone criticizes the crackdown on illegal immigration, this is the only argument that ever needs to be made.

It's Cloward-Piven.

They made a point to look at the heads of the households. It's likely that most of the benefits are going to citizen children.

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It's Cloward-Piven.

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I believe you are exactly right. It's impossible to make a reasoned argument in favor of free immigration alongside the massive welfare state. The left will not compromise on either issue so it must be on purpose. If it isn't stopped, I believe the strategy will work.

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It's Cloward-Piven.

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yes.

but the goal of importing poverty is not to eliminate poverty. it's for complete control by the socialists. their fallacy is that socialism will never make no one poor. it will make everyone poor.

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Yes, data from the Center for Immigration Studies, based on Census Bureau surveys, shows 59% of non-citizen households use major welfare programs like SNAP (food stamps), versus 39% for native-born households. This includes legal and illegal immigrants, highlighting fiscal strain…

— Grok (@grok) October 27, 2025

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It looks like the top 3 groups are refugees of war, famine, etc. brought here by the government. We brought a lot of this on ourselves.

And as far as the anchor baby situation, shame on us for not demanding widespread immigration reform from our elected officials. If they want our votes, fix the immigration issue first.

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I hate that comment, from the tweet.

Why? Why can't we fix the problem? We've identified it, and one side is trying to fix it.

The other side is holding protests, to promote continuation of a terrible/punitive practice, hurting the American people.

We absolutely can put the toothpaste back in the tube. The vocal minority just needs to get on board.

And all they have to do is vote Dem.

Insane numbers for sure.

What needs to be done to the agencies giving them these benefits?

Can Trump do an EO?

Can congress make the changes?

We all know there's a problem, now what's the solution?

doubledog said:

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Ohh my god….

Mainstream media CBS reporting 1 in 8 Americans are on SNAP food stamps

That’s 43.1 million people

The working class is paying to provide EBT for 43 MILLION PEOPLE

Approximately 54% of immigrant households participate in at least one major welfare program pic.twitter.com/QeDL4JUMFe

— Wall Street Apes (@WallStreetApes) October 27, 2025

This is also mind boggling. Does the 1 in 8 include childern, because that would make more sense.

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My one quibble with the post and it is unacceptable that we have such pervasive handouts is that it is not the working class paying for it but the high earners are the ones footing the bill for almost everything.

It is the root cause of most of this. Voters with a lot of skin in the game do not vote for this. If the working class was paying a 30% net fed income tax rate, none of these welfare programs would even exist.

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Insane numbers for sure.

What needs to be done to the agencies giving them these benefits?

Can Trump do an EO?

Can congress make the changes?

We all know there's a problem, now what's the solution?

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Audit the bankroll. If you are illegal, you are off the books. Prosecute anyone that had a hand in illegal activities. Revamp the system to encourage people off the program somehow over time.

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No Spin Ag said:

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Insane numbers for sure.

What needs to be done to the agencies giving them these benefits?

Can Trump do an EO?

Can congress make the changes?

We all know there's a problem, now what's the solution?

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Audit the bankroll. If you are illegal, you are off the books. Prosecute anyone that had a hand in illegal activities. Revamp the system to encourage people off the program somehow over time.

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What about their American born children? That is how they are receiving the benefits in the first place.

I have no idea. Policy is not my specialty, but the system needs to be geared towards sunsetting people off the program. Having people on the bankroll their whole life is not the answer. What do you suggest? You are one of the brightest minds on this forum with a wealth of knowledge in law and as a former fed.

Hoyt Ag said:

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No Spin Ag said:

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Insane numbers for sure.

What needs to be done to the agencies giving them these benefits?

Can Trump do an EO?

Can congress make the changes?

We all know there's a problem, now what's the solution?

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Audit the bankroll. If you are illegal, you are off the books. Prosecute anyone that had a hand in illegal activities. Revamp the system to encourage people off the program somehow over time.

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I like that. It's something.

Hoyt Ag said:

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I have no idea. Policy is not my specialty, but the system needs to be geared towards sunsetting people off the program. Having people on the bankroll their whole life is not the answer. What do you suggest? You are one of the brightest minds on this forum with a wealth of knowledge in law and as a former fed.

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I'm not sure about brightest minds but I do have a ton of experience with dealing with government, illegals and poverty.

Easy button solution is to eliminate the program entirely. Every federal agency has an OIG because all government programs are going to have fraud, waste, and abuse. I imagine that entitlement programs and probably DOD suffer the highest rates of abuse.

Most know my position on entitlement spending. Also I am what one might call heartless. I do not believe that eliminating it would be politically viable but it certainly should be a aspirational goal of conservatives.

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This is something I've been wondering about for a while. I think we're arguing about the illegal immigration from the wrong angle. IMO, this issue is the correct one. Milton Friedman made this point a long time ago. This is the one area I'd be willing to compromise with the left. We can have more open immigration if we get rid of the welfare state. We shouldn't have these programs at all, but it's financial suicide to provide the for immigrants. Whenever anyone criticizes the crackdown on illegal immigration, this is the only argument that ever needs to be made.

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Sorry, but we do not need a single additional Muslim. We need several million fewer, actually.

Immigration is why I can never get fully down with the libertarians. That and their consistently crazy candidates.

No argument here. Gut all entitlements.

Cut off welfare and 20 million will self deport. If this big lie gets widely exposed due to the shut-down, I'm here for it.