First off, it's impossible to change one's biological sex. Two, the numbers of "transgender" people committing heinous crimes is way out of proportion to their population.

I say yes, outlaw those things. How about it?

Yes.

I have no problem if a state makes an outlaw banning them

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Being an advocate of individual liberty (as well as the personal responsibilty that must accompany it) I don't think it should be illegal for adults. And that adult should pay for the full cost of the procedure themselves.

Anyone performing these procedures on a minor should face the death penalty.

That said, if it were to become illegal, it wouldn't upset me.

Slicer97 said:

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Being an advocate of individual liberty (as well as the personal responsibilty that must accompany it) I don't think it should be illegal for adults. And that adult should pay for the full cost of the procedure themselves.

Anyone performing these procedures on a minor should face the death penalty.

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We don't need laws to specify which individual medical procedures are allowed. We need professional medical organizations, universities and health care businesses to do their job - to step in and act on behalf of public health.

no its a mental disorder throw them in the looney bin

I don't think attempting to force an entire civilization to indulge a condition actually treats the condition and it certainly isn't resulting in better outcomes on average.

No, it shouldn't.

But I also shouldn't have to pay for it, whether directly through taxation or indirectly through health insurance premiums.

It's like a boob job. If you want it, fine. But it's on your nickel

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We don't need laws to specify which individual medical procedures are allowed. We need professional medical organizations, universities and health care businesses to do their job - to step in and act on behalf of public health.

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I'd be on board with that as well.

Slicer97 said:

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Being an advocate of individual liberty (as well as the personal responsibilty that must accompany it) I don't think it should be illegal for adults. And that adult should pay for the full cost of the procedure themselves.

Anyone performing these procedures on a minor should face the death penalty.

That said, if it were to become illegal, it wouldn't upset me.

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Would you repeal laws that forbid the sale of organs if you could?

States rights.

I want them banned in Texas. We don't need to allow mental illness. Don't like it? Take your filth elsewhere

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no its a mental disorder throw them in the looney bin

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That's not the way involuntary commitment works. You have to demonstrate behavior that shows you to be a serious and immediate threat to the safety or wellbeing of either yourself or others. And that standard is very stringent.

Mental illness in and of itself isn't a legal justification for indefinite involuntary commitment. And I doubt you'll get the Supreme Court to deviate from that position due to the slippery slope involved and the historical abuse of personally and politically motivated involuntary commitments before current legal standards were adopted.

Obviously. It's not healthcare in any sense of the word.

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no its a mental disorder throw them in the looney bin

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That's not the way involuntary commitment works. You have to demonstrate behavior that shows you to be a serious and immediate threat to the safety or wellbeing of either yourself or others. And that standard is very stringent.

Mental illness in and of itself isn't a legal justification for indefinite involuntary commitment. And I doubt you'll get the Supreme Court to deviate from that position due to the slippery slope involved and the historical abuse of personally and politically motivated involuntary commitments before current legal standards were adopted.

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cool bud but reality dictates that these people have shown they are not mentally stable how many mass shootings are we going to endure from them/?

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States rights.

I want them banned in Texas. We don't need to allow mental illness. Don't like it? Take your filth elsewhere

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This is an ethical problem with some docs. AMA needs to get on point and states need to start jerking licenses of docs who violate the Hippocratic Oath. First, do no harm...

My dong passionately agrees.

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States rights.

I want them banned in Texas. We don't need to allow mental illness. Don't like it? Take your filth elsewhere

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This is also acceptable.

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no its a mental disorder throw them in the looney bin

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That's not the way involuntary commitment works. You have to demonstrate behavior that shows you to be a serious and immediate threat to the safety or wellbeing of either yourself or others. And that standard is very stringent.

Mental illness in and of itself isn't a legal justification for indefinite involuntary commitment. And I doubt you'll get the Supreme Court to deviate from that position due to the slippery slope involved and the historical abuse of personally and politically motivated involuntary commitments before current legal standards were adopted.

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cool bud but reality dictates that these people have shown they are not mentally stable how many mass shootings are we going to endure from them/?

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Plenty of non-trans have engaged and continue to engage in mass shootings, terroristic acts, acts of violence, etc. We never started throwing goths, Muslims, or postal workers in asylums en-masse. We'll continue to address perps on an individual criminal, and psychiatric basis.

We're not about to start preemptively confining tens of thousands of people to institutions based on class, to avoid hypotheticals. That's a genie you don't let out of the bottle because we all know that it will neither stop there nor escape abuse by those who would use it against us given the opportunity.

That begins to venture into true dystopian territory.

Illgal for minors, absolutely. For adults, no.

As long as they're paying for it themselves, go ahead. They're likely to regret it a few years later (statistically, at 5 years more than 80% regret it) but there are a lot of people who get voluntary cosmetic surgery that later regret it.

The danger in my mind is when a person thinks the surgery is a valid treatment for gender dysphoria. It has shown not to be a safe treatment. Post-op suicide rate doubles that of pre-op trans people, from 20% (still very high) to 41%. The rate of regret is extremely high, and treatment of the underlying mental disorder is ignored, believing that surgery will fix the mental disorder.

That said, adults should be free to do as they wish with their bodies. If that means they want genital mutilation surgery, then go ahead.

YES:

Can anyone come up with even one justification for having these legal?

Just wait until a trans airline pilot suicides an airliner in the name of social justice.

It should be clear to everyone that gender dysmorphia is an extremely serious mental illness.

Keep in mind those "progressive" Scandinavian countries tried this. They have seen the negative longer term outcomes, and have moved from calling it "safe" to now "experimental".

Also, its not economical. Insurance companies won't ever cover something like an open hatchet wound or other hormonal treatments that create a never ending stream of expensive life long complications.

Hormone therapy to make the brain fit the body might be an idea??? Instead of mutilating the body

anaggieshusband said:

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Hormone therapy to make the brain fit the body might be an idea??? Instead of mutilating the body

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Would depend on whether that's possible. Is the brain permanently hardwired to feel this way during early and adolescent development?

Even with treatment, mental illnesses such as bipolar disorder, clinical depression, personality disorders, etc. aren't just cured and don't go away. It's a lifelong struggle. Pretty sure you couldn't give someone hormones to make them feel trans if they're not so unsure if the reverse is a legitimate possibility.

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Slicer97 said:

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Being an advocate of individual liberty (as well as the personal responsibilty that must accompany it) I don't think it should be illegal for adults. And that adult should pay for the full cost of the procedure themselves.

Anyone performing these procedures on a minor should face the death penalty.

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There is no other illness where the treatment prescribed makes the illness worse on purpose. Of course it should be outlawed.

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no its a mental disorder throw them in the looney bin

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That's not the way involuntary commitment works. You have to demonstrate behavior that shows you to be a serious and immediate threat to the safety or wellbeing of either yourself or others. And that standard is very stringent.

Mental illness in and of itself isn't a legal justification for indefinite involuntary commitment. And I doubt you'll get the Supreme Court to deviate from that position due to the slippery slope involved and the historical abuse of personally and politically motivated involuntary commitments before current legal standards were adopted.

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cool bud but reality dictates that these people have shown they are not mentally stable how many mass shootings are we going to endure from them/?

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Plenty of non-trans have engaged and continue to engage in mass shootings, terroristic acts, acts of violence, etc. We never started throwing goths, Muslims, or postal workers in asylums en-masse. We'll continue to address perps on an individual criminal, and psychiatric basis.

We're not about to start preemptively confining tens of thousands of people to institutions based on class, to avoid hypotheticals. That's a genie you don't let out of the bottle because we all know that it will neither stop there nor escape abuse by those who would use it against us given the opportunity.

That begins to venture into true dystopian territory.

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except thats the normal flow of this country unfortunately promoting and accepting trans as something normal isn't, its shootings and violence that need not happen we do not need tolerate this abomination as a serious society.

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B-1 83 said:

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Slicer97 said:

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Being an advocate of individual liberty (as well as the personal responsibilty that must accompany it) I don't think it should be illegal for adults. And that adult should pay for the full cost of the procedure themselves.

Anyone performing these procedures on a minor should face the death penalty.

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There is no other illness where the treatment prescribed makes the illness worse on purpose. Of course it should be outlawed.

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It's an adult making a choice for themselves. Have you not seen cosmetic surgeries adding oddities to people's faces, ears, etc? You going to outlaw those, too?

Apollo79 said:

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no its a mental disorder throw them in the looney bin

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That's not the way involuntary commitment works. You have to demonstrate behavior that shows you to be a serious and immediate threat to the safety or wellbeing of either yourself or others. And that standard is very stringent.

Mental illness in and of itself isn't a legal justification for indefinite involuntary commitment. And I doubt you'll get the Supreme Court to deviate from that position due to the slippery slope involved and the historical abuse of personally and politically motivated involuntary commitments before current legal standards were adopted.

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cool bud but reality dictates that these people have shown they are not mentally stable how many mass shootings are we going to endure from them/?

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Plenty of non-trans have engaged and continue to engage in mass shootings, terroristic acts, acts of violence, etc. We never started throwing goths, Muslims, or postal workers in asylums en-masse. We'll continue to address perps on an individual criminal, and psychiatric basis.

We're not about to start preemptively confining tens of thousands of people to institutions based on class, to avoid hypotheticals. That's a genie you don't let out of the bottle because we all know that it will neither stop there nor escape abuse by those who would use it against us given the opportunity.

That begins to venture into true dystopian territory.

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accept thats the normal flow of this country unfortunately promoting and accepting trans as something normal isn't, its shootings and violence that need not happen we do not need tolerate this abomination as a serious society.

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I'm just speaking from a standpoint of realism. You're never going to implement a system that locks up thousands of people based on something that a small % of them might do unless every person in this country, including you and I, cede significant freedoms and risk the most likely outcome that it eventually is turned around on us.

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." And I'm an ardent adherent to that principle.

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Slicer97 said:

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Being an advocate of individual liberty (as well as the personal responsibilty that must accompany it) I don't think it should be illegal for adults. And that adult should pay for the full cost of the procedure themselves.

Anyone performing these procedures on a minor should face the death penalty.

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There is no other illness where the treatment prescribed makes the illness worse on purpose. Of course it should be outlawed.

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It's an adult making a choice for themselves. Have you not seen cosmetic surgeries adding oddities to people's faces, ears, etc? You going to outlaw those, too?

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You make a very fair point. How about outlawing the medications used for gender "transition"?

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Obviously. It's not healthcare in any sense of the word.

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I vaguely recall something about "first do no harm". Permanently maiming yourself is harm.

Denver Shooter: TRANS
Aberdeen Shooter: TRANS
Nashville Shooter: TRANS
Philadelphia Shooter: TRANS
Colorado Springs Shooter: Non-Binary
Iowa Shooter: Gender Fluid
Minneapolis Shooter: TRANS
Charlie Kirk Shooter: TRANS-partner

The TRANS ideology is demonic and creates deadly…

— Seth Gruber (@sgruber91) September 13, 2025

I just find it ironic, given that some of the bros here in this thread are probably treating themselves with exogenous testosterone ("because I am low T") for outcomes such as more muscle, weight loss, and higher sex drive. Although associated with increases in aggression. It's well known.

But I doubt anyone here wants to ban testosterone treatments for adult males. Why? It's their lives and they believe it improves their quality of life.